What is it with HD and torx fixings?

Discussion in 'Sportster Models' started by RAWLDYMAN, Aug 23, 2011.

  1. RAWLDYMAN

    RAWLDYMAN Active Member

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    Went to swap the engine guards from my old bike to my new 1200C. They came off the old bike no problem; wee drop of WD40 and the hex bolts came out easy.
    The mounting for the guards on the new bike is the same except, instead of just ordinary bolts (that you can easily get a wrench on) HD, of course, decided to use torx heads. Using T45 the first one came out OK but the other one would'nt shift. It's like it's welded in there! Now, despite being as careful as I could, I've stripped the head:wall
    What should have been a 15 minute job has turned into a lot of hassle...
    Got me thinking, what was so wrong with plain old bolts that HD felt it necessary to change to Torx? If it aint broke why fix it?
    Man I do not like torx. Rant over:(
     
  2. Nightowl

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    Amen brother. I have never understood the torx thing. When did it start? Why Why Why. What is wrong with bolts. And don't give the their pretty stuff. Is there and engineering reason? At least use hex heads!!!!!
     
  3. RAWLDYMAN

    RAWLDYMAN Active Member

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    Exactly!! These particular fixings, you'd have to be lying under the bike to see them, so it's certainly not about appearances...
     
  4. Breeze3at

    Breeze3at Well-Known Member

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    Torx head fasteners (male and female) are used because they are faster to get a automated tool on during assembly. I guess the bean counters figured out saving a second here and there assembling the bikes would add to the profit. I am another non admirer of torx fasteners. :no
     
  5. RAWLDYMAN

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    Gotcha, think you've answered my question right there!
     
  6. glider

    glider Veteran Member

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    With most of the larger bolts like the Torx, it's best to pick up an impact driver. Saves a lot of headaches.

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  7. Jack Klarich

    Jack Klarich Expert Member

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    You can thank GM for this one. Kent Moore makes the tools for GM and HD so Guess who designed the fasteners:s
     
  8. NEWHD74FAN

    NEWHD74FAN Experienced Member Retired Moderators

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    Like Breeze and Jack said, but I look at it this way...be thankful H-D decided NOT to use Phillips head fasteners developed in 1937, just in time to make assembly even faster in WWII. After Phillips aka "cross point headed" fasteners...Torx is not "that" bad, and I agree Hex "Allen" socket headed fasteners are usually hardened and hold up the best.

    Like, Glider said...an Impact tool and heat (if you have Locktite in the treads" can make dealing with Torx fasteners a lot easier AND don't reuse them if you have even a "hint" of possible damage. :s
     
  9. kemo

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    And wait until you get to play with the tamper proof torx.
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  10. gator508

    gator508 Senior Member

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    Agree that torx are not exactly the best. Replaced most of them on the bike with chrome allen head.