Stage I Without ECM Download on 09 Ultra

DC2009EGUC

I am in a quandary here with my 09 Ultra with Monster Ovals. I am thinking of installing a HD Stage I kit (part# 29260-08) but I am hesitating on the HD ECM download. According to the 2009 motor accessories book, SE section, the ECM download says:

"Recalibration is required for proper installation, and will allow the bike to rev up to 6200 RPM." OK I not really too eager to rev my motor past 4K RPM, much less 6200 RPM

1. Stage I kit is 50 state street legal - no warrantee issues going forward
2. ECM download recommended - per above "recalibration to match performance pipes"
3. Screaming Eagle pipes, when added will match steps 1 & 2 above.

Now being aware about all the discussions about warrantee issues on this forum with some SE performance kits and third party "FUEL TUNERS", I called and talked to the one of the local service manager and discussed my options, and he said Stage I kit is OK, and will not affect warrantee, he also recommended the ECM download and SE pipes.

When I mentioned that I have the V&H Monster Ovals, he said oh that's kind of a gray area and may not match the Stage I and ECM due to non SE pipes.

We then discussed the use of third party "fuel tuners" and he said it will definitely affect and void standing warrantee as this is products represent tampering with EPA requirements.

So to cut through the chase, and to stay within the legal bounds of my 2 year warrantee:

- Can I just do the stage 1 kit and forgo the ECM download since it does not match my V&H MO anyway? Will this kit make an already lean bike leaner?

- Or do I just keep the stock air cleaner and wait until the 2 year warrantee expires and let go crazy on the PCV or V&H fuelpak?

Crazyfrog

Not a good idea to do a stage 1 without fuel. Would probably cause alot of damage, and still not be covered under warranty.
Put the fuel pack on.
The warranty should not be affected unless they can say that the mod caused the malfunction.
Save your stock parts and switch it back if you think they will give you problems.
My dealer has never said a word about mine, and even asked how I liked it when I had the recall done.

DC2009EGUC

So Vance & Hines fuelpak 1st choice, Power Commander V (when released) second choice?

So as lean as it already comes from the factory, looks like I am better off leaving the stock air cleaner until I can get the "fuel tuner plus stage I air cleaner.

Hobbit

1st up find a new dealer as they are telling you fibs about the warranty
in the UK and US it is down to Harley Davidson and their representatives (dealers) to prove that the parts you fitted caused the failure not vice versa, and if they were fitted by the dealer they have to guarantee their work, and if the parts were not found to have caused the failure then the bike is covered under warranty, extra fuel and allowing the bike to breath will not cause any issue with warranty my bob was done before it even left the dealer.
A fuel management computer that is removable like the TFI - fuel pak leaves no trace on the bike at all, the SERT/Supertuner from Harley Davidson leaves a foot print on the ECM and can only be used on that bike.
he does have a point about tampering with the EPA requirements tho but he is willing to do it if you use his parts ????

Have a good read through the self help and you will find loads of questions answered on stage 1/2/3/4 and warranties and you will see that the majority of dealers try to get out of warranty, thankfully mine is one of the ultra cool dealers and they cover everything.

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glider

DC2009EGUC

You have been given good and proper input above, the only thing I differ on is the fuel tuner used. The TFI is easier, more user friendly and better tech support than the fuel pack (if needed). Other than that I agree with what was posted above.

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BuffaloBill

Do your Bike and yourself a favor and Go with Glider's sugsetion The Techlusions TFI is the best upgrade that I did to my bike You will not regret it. With this kit NO Download required and goes like a scalded dog wants the pods are dialed in.

Best part is that you can do the install yourself and save the $$ that your dealer would charge to buy more Goodies for your ride!!

Do a search on this forum under "TFI"

Ride Safe
BuffaloBill

glider

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One other thing with the TFI, no maps to deal with.

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smitty901

another TFI vote.
It is a plug and play you can take it right off if you need to
It is a good idea to add a little fuel if you do pipes and AC AKA stage 1.
The 2009's you are ok going with just the pipes and no AC.
2009's are setup a little different than 07 and 08's .
But if it were my bike I would add the TFI anyway. better to be safe

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