Turn Signal Gost

Discussion in 'Electrical' started by jonathan8186, Feb 18, 2012.

  1. jonathan8186

    jonathan8186 Member

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    Need Help,

    I have a 09 Dyna Super Glide when I apply the front and rear brake the turn signal comes on. When I apply them again it goes off. Also the auto canceling does not work. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
     
  2. R_W_B

    R_W_B Senior Member

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    I'm thinking the stop lite and turn signal wires insulation is frayed and they are making contact somewhere in your bars, probably around the switch.

    Take your right switch apart and look around it there. The signal wire is usually either violet or blue and the brake wire is usually red/yellow (at least on my 07 Dyna schematic they are).

    If you don't spot the problem right off, pop the connectors out from under the backbone and do continuity test between the signal pin at one end and the brake switch pin at the other. Course with the switch apart it may not make contact good enough for that.

    Anyhow look for wire fraying on the signal and brake switch wires.
     
  3. Hoople

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    Do you have one of those turn signal to brake like convertors installed.
    "Turn signal" as in left or right but not both at same time (emergency flasher)?

    You said it won't auto cancel...Won't auto cancel from a corner lean or won't cancel from a 20 count time out. Pull the DTC codes to see if any exist.
     
  4. R_W_B

    R_W_B Senior Member

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    Do what Hoop said.

    BTW I typed the wrong color on the signal wire is usually either violet or BROWN (not blue). The blue (front only) is for the running lites.

    Hoop are you talking about a run/turn/stop module ?
     
  5. Hoople

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    Yes. That could tie the brakes into the turn signal circuits. (?)
     
  6. Jack Klarich

    Jack Klarich Expert Member

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    Have you done any thing near the switches or replaced the handle bars or levers? TSM/TSSM Trouble codes
    Checking for trouble codes.....Turn signal module/Turn signal security module

    To diagnose the TSM/TSSM observe the behavior of the turn signals.

    1 Set Run switch to Run - -

    2 Turn Ignition key On-Off-On-Off-On-Off-On and then toggle the Left Turn Signal switch twice. - -

    3 Turn Ignition key Off-On Verify the Check Engine lamp and Security Lamp illuminate briefly and then turn off. Security lamp will not illuminate on non-security (TSM) Twin Cam models.

    4 Attempt normal start one time. Engine starts and stalls immediately. check engine lamp stays on. Password has not been learned and sets trouble code P1009, thus stopping fuel flow.

    5 Wait 10 seconds Security Lamp remains lit for V-Rod and TC88 with TSSM. Lamp will not be on for TC88 TSM models. ECM enters Password Learning mode for 10 minutes. Do Not cycle the ignition or disrupt power.

    6 Wait until Security Lamp turns off or a minimum of 10 minutes has passed. - -

    7 Quickly (within 2 seconds) turn Ignition key OFF-ON Security Lamp remains lit for V-Rod and TC88 with TSSM. Lamp will not be on for TC88 TSM models. -

    8 Wait until Security Lamp turns off or a minimum of 10 minutes has passed. - Password Learning mode for 10 minutes. Do Not cycle the ignition or disrupt power.

    9 Quickly (within 2 seconds) turn Ignition key OFF-ON Security Lamp remains lit for V-Rod and TC88 with TSSM. Lamp will not be on for TC88 TSM models. -

    10 Wait until Security Lamp turns off or a minimum of 10 minutes has passed. - Password Learning mode for 10 minutes. Do Not cycle the ignition or disrupt power.

    11 Quickly (within 2 seconds) turn Ignition key OFF-ON Security Lamp light and then turn off. Lamp will not be on for TC88 TSM models. -

    12 Turn Ignition switch OFF. Wait 15 seconds. Turn Ignition switch ON and start engine to confirm the Password Learn Procedure is successful. Engine will start and remain running. If engine immediately stalls and fails to restart the procedure was not successful. Start over at step 1. -

    The above steps must be timed and performed exactly as described. Any deviation will require you to start again from step 1.


    If the signals flash six fast 4-way flashes shortly after key on,
    then an error code has been logged.

    Code Types
    There are two types of trouble codes:
    Current and Historic.
    If a trouble code is stored, it can be read using TSM/TSSM Diagnostics.

    Current
    Current trouble codes are those which are present during the current ignition cycle.

    Historic
    If a particular problem happens to resolve itself, the active status
    problem is dropped and it becomes a historic code rather than a current code.
    Intermittent output shorts can become typical historic codes.
    Historic codes are stored for 50 ignition cycles.
    It is important to note that historic codes will exist whenever the system
    indicates the existence of a current fault.

    Notes
    *If the turn signals flash six four way flashes shortly after key on, it indicates an error code has been logged sometime in the last 3 ignition cycles. On vehicles with TSSM, the security lamp will also light for eight seconds after the bulb check if historic codes are present.

    *The security lamp will stay on if current code(s) are set. If a historic code is present, the security lamp will light for 50 ignition cycles or until the code is cleared manually.

    Invoking TSM/TSSM diagnostics

    1: Set Run/Stop switch to off

    2: Turn ign key ON-OFF-ON-OFF-ON

    3: Press the left turn switch two times and release.
    *The signals flash 2 times for a Domestic TSSM

    4: Press the right turn switch 1 time and release.
    *The signals flash 1 time.

    5: Press the right turn switch 1 time and release.
    *The signals flash 2 times.

    6: Press the right turn switch 1 time and release.
    *The signals flash 3 times.

    7: Press the left turn switch 1 time and release.
    *The signals flash out the trouble codes.
    There is a 1.5 sec pause between flashes to distinguish between 1st and 2nd digit of codes.
    There is a 4 second pause between codes, then it will loop and repeat codes.
    If the light comes on for 4 seconds after invoking test then goes out for good,
    there are no codes stored.....test over....turn ignition off.
    Wait at least 10 seconds
    before turning ignition on again.

    8: To clear codes (after repairs) press and hold left turn switch for 4-5 seconds at end of test.
    * The signals flash 2 times to confirm your request.
    Codes
    11= Battery voltage high
    21= left turn output fault
    22= Right turn output fault
    25= Ignition enable output high
    31= alarm output low
    32= alarm output high
    34= starter output high
    35= accelerometer fault
    41= Ignition switch open/low

    Possible causes
    11= battery voltage >16.0v/battery charger used/voltage regulator Bad. (pin 1 / Bn/Gy)

    21= bulbs/shorts/bad connections if no voltage on pins 5 or 6 with 4ways on TSSM Bad

    25= should be no voltage present on pin 10 with key off. (Lt Grn/Gy wire on TSSM)

    31&32= Middle pin on siren goes low voltage to fire alarm, high voltage to stop.
    If the siren responds with 3 chirps instead of 2 the siren battery is bad.
    Pin A (Bn/Gy) is positive voltage downstream of the 15amp security fuse.
    Pin C (Bk) is ground from pin 12 (Bk) on TSSM

    34= Starter relay and coil are grounded via TSSM when disarmed and ignition on.
    This code means the ground is from someplace else...short/hot wired..etc.
    Starter relay could be bad (voltage present on pin 9)(Tn/Gn) when not starting engine.

    35= TSM/TSSM bad. bank angle and tamper will not function when this code is set.

    41= Signals will not flash due to shorts, bad connections/wiring/bulbs/TSSM Bad

    More notes

    *If the siren Chirps 3 times instead of 2 this means time for a new siren battery.

    *There can be codes set in the TSSM without any visual indications ie: Security lamp/ Signals

    *There needs to be 12.0vdc available from the main battery

    *There are 4 sensitivity settings for alarm activation, with regard to motion.

    *There is an Auto Arming feature available, all domestics are shipped with this disabled.

    *Always disarm the TSSM before disconnecting the battery, or siren will activate.(If present)
    If auto arming is activated, you have 30 seconds after disarming to pull the fuse to accomplish the above.

    *Tampering or problems with the security light circuit activates the alarm for 30 seconds.

    *Storage mode time is selectable, and will shut down system at 30,60,or 90 days, or never.
    Key fob will not work after shut down. Turn ignition ON to re-activate, the alarm will sound
    if it was armed prior to storage mode shut down. Use the key fob to disable the alarm.

    *IF you render the key fob useless and did not program a personal override code in the TSSM,
    you are not only buying a new fob, you are buying a new TSSM as well.
    Once it learns a key fob, it learns no more.

    TSM/TSSM Pinouts

    1= Battery (Bn/Gy)
    2= Ignition (Gy)
    3= VSS/Serial Data link
    4= Security indicator (Bn/V)
    5= Left turn Feed (V)
    6= Right turn Feed (Bn)
    7= Right turn switch input (W/Bn)
    8= Left turn switch input (W/V)
    9= Start relay Control (Tn/Gn)
    10= Ignition enable signal (LGn/Gy)
    11= Alarm signal (Lgn/Bn)
    12= Ground (Bk)
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  7. R_W_B

    R_W_B Senior Member

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    Johnathan if you have run lights on your rear sig lites, remove your run/turn/stop module (under the seat) and re-hook up the connectors and see if the problem goes away.