I watched part of it the only night, still have not finished. IMO Junior just builds nice looking bikes. I would not want to ride them but he sure knows how to make a theme work and make some creative details. JJ is really just an idiot. He may build nice functional bikes, but he is an idiot and really they are just nice looking bikes, nothing special IMO. As for Sr. I too was surprised at what he was building. He lost his main designer and Jason Poole is not a designer, he is good at drawing, but steals his ideas from other things and does not know how to make a functional bike. That was proven with the Cadillac competition. What I saw of his so far is he took the bat bike concept and made it a trike or something like that...He also knew he would come in last which is pretty funny. IMO he should have stuck with what he is good at and made some old school looking chopper, he has made some nice looking ones in the past that are actually functional.