Harley no start

Discussion in 'General Harley Davidson Topic' started by B-allen, Jun 22, 2016.

  1. B-allen

    B-allen New Member

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    I have a 2011 Harley street Bob with a no start condition I have fire on the front cylinder and none in the rear cylinder fuel in both cylinders. My crank sensor tests good fuel pressure is solid I'm baffled does anyone have any suggestions.
     
  2. dbmg

    dbmg Experienced Member

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    How was bike running before no start, was there a check engine light and from comment bike must crank.
    How have you determined that bike has spark on front cylinder and only fuel in both. Are you in the process of upgrading bike with any modifications or is bike all stock. I am sure that you covered the basics. Can you provide more information to better advise?
     
  3. B-allen

    B-allen New Member

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    Well that's the thing I bought it at auction it wasn't running the bike has 13,000 miles on it I 100% have spark on the front cylinder no upgrades on it codes included o2 sensors low or open... I heard there was a pen ground in the handle bars so I've check that along with the rest of my grounds they seem good I'm sure this problem is right in front of me. If I have spark in the front can the ignition be bad?
     
  4. joel

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    Did you check for power at the rear cylinder coil? Can you switch the plugs wires, than switch coils to see if the problem follows 1 of the 2?
     
  5. Jack Klarich

    Jack Klarich Expert Member

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    How are you checking for spark? Not with the plug out and grounded, the ECM needs to see compression to spark the plug Try one of these just lay it near or on the wire with plugs installed , if you have spark it will light up. Check your plug wires with an ohm meter, twist them a bit to see if readings change. Check the coil and clean out the towers, apply a bit of dielectric grease to both ends of wire
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  6. Jeff Klarich

    Jeff Klarich Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Start with the basics, dead plug? bad spark plug wire? bad coil?
    Electrical issues can be frustrating and a process of elimination.
     
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  8. dbmg

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    At times purchasing a bike from a auction especially if bike was a repo, you never will know the full story. If bike had security key fobs and you did not receive them you will never get it to start. I would recommend to take title and your ID to local Harley shop and ask to have them run the VIN and it tell all when bike was built, and will definitely give you a head start as to how to proceed and if bike needs fobs you can order them while at dealer.
     
  9. Jack Klarich

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    Harley-Davidson VIN Number Explained
    In this article of Tech Tips we’ll breakdown the progression of VIN numbers used by Harley-Davidson and explain what they all mean.


    Prior to 1930:

    Prior to 1930 H-D VIN numbers were a bit erratic and model number designations changed frequently. Unfortunately there is very little information out there for these numbers and what information is available is not always very accurate.

    From 1930 to 1962 the VIN number was the engine number and was only located on the left case. The VIN was between 8 and 10 digits with the first 2 digits being the production year, the next 2 – 4 letters being the model designation and the last 4 digits being the production number

    Example:

    Year Model Production Number
    49 FL 0001

    1962-1969:
    From 1962 to 1969 the VIN numbers where pretty much the same as from 1930 to 1962, but if the production number had 4 digits the first digit would be odd during odd production years and even during even production years. If the production number had 5 digits the first two digits would be odd during odd production years and even during even production years.

    Example:

    Year Model Production Number
    66 FLHB 22001
    1970-1980:

    From 1970 to 1980 the VIN number could be found on both the frame and the engine and would match exactly with the exception of a few months in 1979 which was due to an idea by the factory to make them different. The idea was quickly killed after law enforcement notified Harley-Davidson that it made the bikes look stolen. The production date range was from 1/9/1979 to 2/7/1979. The VIN numbers affected are 43000H9 through 48199H9. The engine numbers where 10 digit numerical IDs.

    The VIN numbers of this era where 9 digit codes where the first two digits corresponded to the model code (see list below), the next 5 digits were the production numbers (always starting above 10,000) and the last 2 digits were the year code (see list below).

    Example:

    Model Production Number Year
    2A 10859 H4

    Model Codes:

    1A = FL/FLP-1200 3D = Z-90 2G = XLT-1000
    2A = FLH -1200 4D = XLA 3G = FLH-80
    3A = XL - XLH-1000 5D = SX-175 5G = FLT-80
    4A = XLCH-1000 6D = SX-250 6G = FXE-80
    5A = GE-750 7D = MX-250 7G = FXS-80
    6A = SS-350 Sprint 9D = FXE - 1200 9G = FXWG-80
    7A = SX-125 4E = XLS-1000 1H = FXB-80
    8A = M65-S 5E = FXEF-1200 2H = CLE-80 Sidecar
    7B = ERS 6E = FXEF-80 3H = FLH-80 Classic
    8B = MSR-100 7E = FLHS-1200 5H = FLHS-80
    2C = FX -1200 9E = SS-250 6H = FL-80
    3C = SX-350 Sprint 2F = FXS - 1200 7H = FLH-1200 Police
    5C = MC-65 3F = SXT-125 8H = FLH-1200 Shrine
    6C = SR-100 4F = SS-175 9H = FLH-80 Police
    1D = LE Sidecar 6F = SS-125 1K = FLH-80 Shrine
    2D = X-90 7F = XLCR-1000
    Year Codes:

    H0 = 1970 H3 = 1973 H6 = 1976 H9 = 1979
    H1 = 1971 H4 = 1974 H7 = 1977 J0 = 1980
    H2 = 1972 H5 = 1975 H8 = 1978


    1981- Present:

    From 1981 to present the VIN has been a 17 digit code located on the frame and abbreviated on the engine. In this VIN the first 3 digits are the world manufacturer ID (see list below), the fourth digit is the weight class (see weight class list below). The next two letters are the model designation (see list below), the sixth digit was the engine type (see list below), the seventh digit was the introduction period (see list below), The eighth digit was the VIN check digit which could be 0-9 or X, the next letter was the model year (see list below), the letter after that was the assembly plant (see list below) and the last 6 numbers were the production numbers.



    Example:

    World Mfg. Class Model Engine Intro Check Year Plant Production Number
    1HD 1 AA K 1 9 B Y 158126


    World Manufacturer ID:

    1HD = Manufactured for sale within the United States

    5HD = Manufactured for sale outside of the United States

    932 = Manufactured in and for sale only in Brazil

    MEG = Manufactured in and for sale only in India



    Weight Class:

    1 = Heavyweight (≥ 901 cc)

    4 = Lightweight (≤ 900 cc)

    8 = Sidecar



    Model Designation:

    FL Touring Models:

    AA = FLH DJ = FLHTC FR = FLHRCI, FLHRC
    AB = FLHP DK = FLTC Shrine FS = FLTRI
    AC = FLH DM = FLTCU - Ultra FT = FLHPEI
    AD = FLH - Classic DN = FLTCU - Ultra FW = FLHR Shrine
    AE = FLT DP = FLHTC KA = FLHX
    AF = FLTC DS = FLTCU - Ultra Shrine KB = FLHX
    AH = FLHP - Deluxe DT = FLHTCU - Ultra Shrine KE = FLHTK
    AJ = FLH - Heritage FA = FLHRS, FLHS KG = FLTRU
    AK = FLHS FB = FLHRI, FLHR KH = FLTRX
    AL = FLH - Shrine FC = FLHTCUI, FLHTCU KX = SIDECAR TLE ULTRA
    DA = FLT, FLHTP FD = FLHR MA = FLHTCUTG - Trike
    DB = FLTC FE = FLTCUI MB = Trike
    DC = FLHT FF = FLHTCI, FLHTC PF = FLSTDSE
    DD = FLHT FG = FLHTCUI PG = FLHRSEI2
    DE = FLHTC FH = FLHPI PR = FLHTCUSE7 - CVO
    DF = FLHTP FL = FLHTCUI, FLHTCU PY = FLSTSE3 - CVO
    DG = FLHTC Shrine FM = FLHTPI PZ = FLHXSE - CVO
    DH = FLTC FP = FLTR


    FX/FL Dyna Glide Models:

    BA = FXE EK = FXRP - C.H.P. GM = FXDI
    BB = FXEF, FXSTDI EL = FXLR GN = FXDL
    BC = FXS EM = FXRS – CON GP = FXDWG
    BD = FXB ES = FXR GR = FXDXI
    BE = FXWG ET = FXR GT = FXDC
    BF = FXSB EV = FXR GV = FXDC
    BG = FXDG GA = FXDB-D Daytona GX = TL
    EA = FXR GB = FXDB-S Sturgis GY = FXDF
    EB = FXRS GC = FXDC GZ = FLD
    EC = FXRT GD = FXDL PB = FXDWG
    ED = FXRP - Windshield GE = FXDWG PE = FXDWG3
    EE = FXRDG GG = FXDS-CON PS = FXDSE
    EF = FXRP - Fairing GH = FXD PX = FSDFSE
    EG = FXRS-SP Sport Edition GJ = FXDX VA = FXDBP
    EH = FXRD GK = FXDP
    EJ = FXRC GL = FXDXT


    FL/FX Softail Models:

    BH = FXST BX = FLSTF JL = FXSTC
    BJ = FLST, FLSTC BY = FLSTC JM = FLSTSB
    BK = FXSTC BZ = FXSTSI JN = FLSTFB
    BL = FXSTS JA = FXSTB JP = FXS
    BM = FLSTF JB = FXSTDI JR = FLS
    BN = FLSTN JD = FLSTN PF = FXSTDSE
    BP = FXSTSB JE = FLST PH = FXSTDSE
    BR = FLSTS JF = FLSTI PL = FLSTFSE
    BS = FXSTD JG = FLSTF PN = FLSTFSE
    BT = FXSTB JH = FLSTC PT = FXSTSSE
    BV = FXST JJ = FXCW PY = FLSTSE
    BW = FLSTC JK = FXCWC


    XL Sportster Models:

    CA = XLH CN = XL883 CZ = XL1200N
    CB = XLS CM = XL883L LA = XR1200
    CC = XLX CP = XL883C LC = XL1200X
    CD = XR-1000 CR = XL883L LD = XR1200X
    CE = XL 883H CS = XL883R LE = XL883N
    CF = XL 883 Deluxe CT = XL1200C LF = XL1200V
    CG = XL 1200C CV = XL1200R LH = XL1200CP
    CH = XL 1200S CW = XL1200L LJ = XL1200CA
    CJ = XL 883C CX = XL1200L LK = XL1200CB
    CK = XL 883R CY = XL50


    V-ROD Models:

    HA = VRSCA HF = VRSCA HP = VRSCF
    HC = VRSCR HH = VRSCDX
    HD = VRSCD HJ = VRSCX


    Engine Displacement:

    A = 1130 Revolution (100 CV) R = 1340 Evolution Fuel Injected
    B = 1450 Fuel Injected Counter Balanced S = 500 Single (Armstrong Military)
    C = 1550 V = Twin Cam 88 Carburetor, 130B
    D = 1550 EFI W = Twin Cam 88 Fuel Injected
    E = 1690 EFI Y = Twin Cam 88 Counter Balanced - Carb
    F = 1690 Balanced-EFI Z = 1130 Revolution
    G = 1246 Revolution EFI 1 = 1450 EFI
    H = 1246 (2001-2009), 1000 Ironhead XL 2 = 883 ESPFI
    J = 1246 3 = 1200 ESPFI
    K = 1340 Shovelhead 4 = 1584 ESPFI
    L = 1340 Evolution 5 = 1584 ESPFI, Twin Cam 96B
    M = 883 Evolution XL, Twin Cam 103 6 = 1200
    N = 1100 Evolution XL 8 = 1800 ESPFI
    P = 1200 Evolution XL 9 = 1800 ESPFI H 1250 ESPFI


    Introduction Period:

    Normal Introduction Mid-Year or Special Introduction
    1 = Domestic (Normal) 2, 4 = Domestic (Mid-Year)
    3 = California (Normal) 5, 6 = California (Mid-Year)
    A = Canada (Normal) B = Canada (Mid-Year)
    C = International (Normal) D = International (Mid-Year)
    E = Japan (Normal) F = Japan (Mid-Year)
    G = Australia (Normal) H = Australia (Mid-Year)
    J = Brazil (Normal) K = Brazil (Mid-Year)
    L = Asia Pacific (Normal) M = Asia Pacific (Mid-Year)
    N = India (Normal) P = India (Mid-Year)

    Model Year:

    A = 2010 J = 1988 T = 1996 4 = 2004
    B = 1981, 2011 K = 1989 V = 1997 5 = 2005
    C = 1982, 2012 L = 1990 W = 1998 6 = 2006
    D = 1983, 2013 M = 1991 X = 1999 7 = 2007
    E = 1984, 2014 N = 1992 Y = 2000 8 = 2008
    F = 1985, 2015 P = 1993 1 = 2001 9 = 2009
    G = 1986, 2016 R = 1994 2 = 2002
    H = 1987 S = 1995 3 = 2003

    Manufacturing Plant:

    Y, B = York, PA

    T = Tomahawk, WI

    J = Milwaukee, WI

    K = Kansas City, KS

    D = Manaus, Brazil

    E = Buell East Troy

    N = Haryana, India (Bawal District Rewari)
     
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  10. B-allen

    B-allen New Member

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    well I recently bought a bike it's hitting on the rear cylinder but not the front I put carb cleaner in the front cylinder no fire. I grounded the spark plug on the block it fires but when I put it back in the cylinder doesn't hit plug is new wire ohms out food.... I took the air cleaner off temporarily still doesn't fire any ideas?