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losing top end power

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Old Oct 26th, 2009, 02:04 PM     #11
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Re: losing top end power

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HOPPIE what do you mean pull the plug and see what color the arc is and what would that tell me
The color of the arc gives you an idea of how much "spark duration" or millijoules of spark energy you have.
Faint blue sparks are weak. Thick orange sparks are Healthy. This is simple but effective way to see if your ignition has a healthy "reserve" spark. Remove both plugs so the engine will spin easily while cranking. Take an old spark plug you have laying around. Set the gap to .060" or some very wide gap. Install it into one of the plug wires. Place the shell of the plug against the engine and crank the starter. Look at the spark. It should be easy for the coil to jump that wide gap and with a .050" gap it should be a nice thick orange color.

It is only a basic test but it may give you an idea of what is going on.
Of course you have 2 sides to test. When you test one side, it is a good idea to have the other spark plug wire (the one not under test) shorted to frame ground.
Now just mirror image what your doing to test the other side.
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Old Oct 26th, 2009, 02:06 PM     #12
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Re: losing top end power

I just noticed the year of your bike. Does this engine have points or were they solid state in that year?
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Old Oct 26th, 2009, 02:20 PM     #13
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Re: losing top end power

i meant twin fire coil and crane cam HI-4 igintion
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Old Oct 26th, 2009, 02:27 PM     #14
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it is a solid state coil
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Old Oct 26th, 2009, 02:29 PM     #15
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Re: losing top end power

Do you have the selectable curve HI-4 ignition?
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Old Oct 26th, 2009, 02:37 PM     #16
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Re: losing top end power

yes just had them all adjusted after the problem

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Old Oct 26th, 2009, 02:40 PM     #17
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i meant twin fire coil and crane cam HI-4 igintion
Sorry. I know nothing about Crane HI-4 ignitions. My fault. I thought you were somewhat stock.

But I have been to their factory & Dyno testing labs. They do make some very High Quality products.

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it has been back firing on top end if i dont get on it runs great once i try to race i lose power on top end
Would you be able to explain.
What is your tach Red line. What RPM do you shift at under racing conditions.
If you were to put the bike in 2nd gear only and sweep your RPM under Full throttle (100%) from 2000 to 5500 (or your shift point) would the engine "break up" or back fire?

If you were to maintain say 5000 RPM in 2nd gear, would the bike "nose over" or start to fuel surge?

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Old Oct 26th, 2009, 02:55 PM     #18
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i believe red line was just moved up to 6500 i shift at about 6000 under normal conditions but it starts to back fire around 4500 5000
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Old Oct 26th, 2009, 03:03 PM     #19
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I am not knowlegable on the Crane system but....

1) How is the Crane unit TRIGGERED. Hall effect or inductive pickup. ?

2) How is Spark Advance introduced? Is it done through programming in the Crane Box.

It almost sounds like you have "Spark Scatter" at high RPM. Would you happen to have a Good Quality timing light like a Snap-On MT241 ?
If you do, you would be able to see spark scatter just sitting in your garage.

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Re: losing top end power

You have an 1988 softail which is an EVO and is from what I read basically a stock engine with the exception of some ignition parts which aren't needed on that engine and the rev limit is set at 6500 and you mention nothing about if you have any settings on the Hi 4 ignition box or what they are set at as far as ignition curve.

I suggest that you are killing the motor running it over 5 grand and this may be part of the reason for your problems.

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