Primary Lube Poll

R. Lewis · 05-16-2008, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bull_xxx

Hi I just changed to Torco

V-SERIES "ST" MOTOR OILS
V-SERIES "SS" SYNTHETIC MOTOR OIL
V-SERIES TRANS LUBE
V-SERIES PRIMARY CHAINCASE LUBRICANT

Has anyone used any of these products?

I haven't heard of this product here in the states.

glider · 05-16-2008, 02:28 AM

Torco USA

R. Lewis · 05-21-2008, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glider

Torco USA

DANG !!! Keep learnin' every day!!!! Gotta headache now -- must lay down

glider · 05-21-2008, 03:13 AM

Stick around sonny

Always something new here.

smitty901 · 05-30-2008, 02:03 AM

can we beat this dog some more.
Primary lube We have covered the subject of running sny in th primary and it seens that the the over all view has been not to.

I have noticed that M1 is pushing the M1VTWIN 20/50 for use in the primary also.
I know that some times old rules change. Is it time we take another look at this?

glider · 06-09-2008, 12:05 PM

Smitty

Rules change but the clutch still will perform better with non syn in there. Syn oils are slipperier than dino oils , the clutch needs the opposite of that to work best. Why would you want to use an oil that is slipperier in the clutch compartment?

smitty901 · 06-13-2008, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glider

Smitty

Rules change but the clutch still will perform better with non syn in there. Syn oils are slipperier than dino oils , the clutch needs the opposite of that to work best. Why would you want to use an oil that is slipperier in the clutch compartment?

Just wondering about it I see more and more M1 , redline, and seems everyone one else is going that way.

TQuentin1 · 06-19-2008, 05:44 PM

OK. Here is my two cents worth on fluids for the three major applications we have on our bikes (not including brake/hydraulic clutch fluid):

Engine: Amsoil SAE 20W-50 Synthetic Motorcycle Oil (MCV)
SE 6-spd: Spectro Heavy Duty Platinum 6-speed Transmission Oil
Primary: Spectro Heavy Duty Primary Chaincase Oil

References:

Amsoil: AMSOIL - SAE 20W-50 Synthetic Motorcycle Oil (MCV)
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g2156.pdf (white paper on MC engine oils)

Spectro: Spectro Oils of America - Transmission Gear Oils
Spectro Oils of America - Transmission Gear Oils

Results to-date:

Engine oil: looks very good, but has darkened up to look about like pancake syrup - 1850 miles
Primary: not opened up yet - 1450 miles
SE 6-spd: still clean red color (about like Big Red! - beautiful) - 1450 miles

Subjective:

Engine "seems" to have quieted down particularly rockers/top end. Changed to the Amsoil about 1850 ago. Prior to that, ran Mob1 VTwin for total of about 8000 miles (oil changes at about 4k miles). Prior to that used HD standard oil for 13,100 (oil changes at about 3k miles).

Changed out the OEM 5-spd to SE 6-speed about 2500 miles ago. Transmission shifting has most significant change. Extremely quiet with very little little "feel" when shifting up or down. This change happened AFTER changing to the Spectro oil. Prior to that change, I ran about 650 miles on Mob1 VTwin, then about 400 miles on Royal Purple 75W140 heavy duty gear oil. On both of these fluids, I could hear and feel the "clunk" when shifting. Not now.

My bike is an '03 UC with 68,000 total miles. Only major mods at this point are SE air filter, SE slip-on mufflers, SE 6-spd, Jagg 10-row oil cooler and an M6 primary chain tensioner.

TQ

gunnut · 06-19-2008, 06:13 PM

I just bought me a jug of redline 20-50,and on the back it says its also good in the primary.

TQuentin1 · 06-19-2008, 06:52 PM

Gunnut,

They all seem to say that these days. Afterall, HD recommends SYN3 in all three. I have done some investigatin' and agree with Glider that engine oil does not belong in the tranny. Need a high pressure gear oil at least GL1 and probably GL5 depending on 5-spd or 6-spd and how you ride your scoot.

I may deviate from Glider some on the primary. What I use may be a synthetic that has been formulated for use in primaries with addatives to control slippage and drag. In my case, the jury is still out on the primary chain case fluid. But I have not noticed any slippage, and my shifting is very smooth (probably more the tranny lube oil though).

TQ

View Poll Results: Primary Oil Poll
Syn 3	23	14.11%
Formula +	48	29.45%
Old style HD primary oil #99887-84	6	3.68%
Amsoil	37	22.70%
Bel Ray	0	0%
Redline	5	3.07%
Mobil 1	27	16.56%
ATF	3	1.84%
Doesn't Matter	1	0.61%
OTHER (Please specify)	13	7.98%
Voters: 163. You may not vote on this poll

05-16-2008, 02:28 AM	#42 (permalink)
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glider Community Liaison Ride: 07 Road King Classic Join Date: 2007, Jun 21 Posts: 8,912 My Mood:	Re: Primary Lube Poll Stick around sonny Always something new here. __________________ Please stop by the "self help section" for maintenance tips, diagnostic codes and much more. >>Self Help Information and Tips<< click me!

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smitty901 Community Guru Wannabe Ride: 2007 Road glide Join Date: 2008, Jan 02 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,680 My Mood:	Re: Primary Lube Poll can we beat this dog some more. Primary lube We have covered the subject of running sny in th primary and it seens that the the over all view has been not to. I have noticed that M1 is pushing the M1VTWIN 20/50 for use in the primary also. I know that some times old rules change. Is it time we take another look at this? __________________ The Infantry leads the way

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glider Community Liaison Ride: 07 Road King Classic Join Date: 2007, Jun 21 Posts: 8,912 My Mood:	Re: Primary Lube Poll Smitty Rules change but the clutch still will perform better with non syn in there. Syn oils are slipperier than dino oils , the clutch needs the opposite of that to work best. Why would you want to use an oil that is slipperier in the clutch compartment? __________________ Please stop by the "self help section" for maintenance tips, diagnostic codes and much more. >>Self Help Information and Tips<< click me!

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06-19-2008, 05:44 PM	#48 (permalink)
TQuentin1 Moderators Ride: '03 FLHTCUI Join Date: 2008, Apr 04 Location: Missouri City, TX Posts: 222	Re: Primary Lube Poll OK. Here is my two cents worth on fluids for the three major applications we have on our bikes (not including brake/hydraulic clutch fluid): Engine: Amsoil SAE 20W-50 Synthetic Motorcycle Oil (MCV) SE 6-spd: Spectro Heavy Duty Platinum 6-speed Transmission Oil Primary: Spectro Heavy Duty Primary Chaincase Oil References: Amsoil: AMSOIL - SAE 20W-50 Synthetic Motorcycle Oil (MCV) http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g2156.pdf (white paper on MC engine oils) Spectro: Spectro Oils of America - Transmission Gear Oils Spectro Oils of America - Transmission Gear Oils Results to-date: Engine oil: looks very good, but has darkened up to look about like pancake syrup - 1850 miles Primary: not opened up yet - 1450 miles SE 6-spd: still clean red color (about like Big Red! - beautiful) - 1450 miles Subjective: Engine "seems" to have quieted down particularly rockers/top end. Changed to the Amsoil about 1850 ago. Prior to that, ran Mob1 VTwin for total of about 8000 miles (oil changes at about 4k miles). Prior to that used HD standard oil for 13,100 (oil changes at about 3k miles). Changed out the OEM 5-spd to SE 6-speed about 2500 miles ago. Transmission shifting has most significant change. Extremely quiet with very little little "feel" when shifting up or down. This change happened AFTER changing to the Spectro oil. Prior to that change, I ran about 650 miles on Mob1 VTwin, then about 400 miles on Royal Purple 75W140 heavy duty gear oil. On both of these fluids, I could hear and feel the "clunk" when shifting. Not now. My bike is an '03 UC with 68,000 total miles. Only major mods at this point are SE air filter, SE slip-on mufflers, SE 6-spd, Jagg 10-row oil cooler and an M6 primary chain tensioner. TQ Last edited by TQuentin1 : 06-19-2008 at 05:48 PM. Reason: Corrected data

06-19-2008, 06:13 PM	#49 (permalink)
gunnut Play The Throttle Ride: 1996 DYNA WIDE GLIDE Join Date: 2008, Mar 29 Location: plymouth,england Posts: 221 My Mood:	Re: Primary Lube Poll I just bought me a jug of redline 20-50,and on the back it says its also good in the primary.

06-19-2008, 06:52 PM	#50 (permalink)
TQuentin1 Moderators Ride: '03 FLHTCUI Join Date: 2008, Apr 04 Location: Missouri City, TX Posts: 222	Re: Primary Lube Poll Gunnut, They all seem to say that these days. Afterall, HD recommends SYN3 in all three. I have done some investigatin' and agree with Glider that engine oil does not belong in the tranny. Need a high pressure gear oil at least GL1 and probably GL5 depending on 5-spd or 6-spd and how you ride your scoot. I may deviate from Glider some on the primary. What I use may be a synthetic that has been formulated for use in primaries with addatives to control slippage and drag. In my case, the jury is still out on the primary chain case fluid. But I have not noticed any slippage, and my shifting is very smooth (probably more the tranny lube oil though). TQ Last edited by TQuentin1 : 06-19-2008 at 07:11 PM. Reason: got ahead of myself!

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