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Harley Exhaust Comparison

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Harley Exhaust Comparison
Published by glider (Community Liaison)
Published date: Oct 16th, 2008

Here's some interesting info posted by TQ about exhaust.

Harley exhaust choices vary almost as much as those who ride. Drag pipes, slip-fit mufflers, 2-1, staggered duals, and the list goes on. An exhaust system is made for every bike, engine, style, and configuration imaginable. However, there is a big difference between performance and what looks "cool". If you are contemplating the purchase of a new Harley exhaust system you should first ask yourself a few questions.
  1. How important is performance compared to looks?
  2. Are you looking for performance in low to mid range or high end torque?
  3. Is your idea of "Hi-Performance" a Cable TV show theme bike?
If you answered yes to #3 then you're probably going to put whatever looks cool on your bike and not worry about how it runs. For anyone interested in what will improve performance or why those drag pipes made your ride a slug please read on.
Let's start with the basics. Without getting into a lesson in physics there are three factors that effect the performance and tuning of an exhaust system. Sonic pulse, thermal pulse, and exhaust gas velocity.
  • Sonic pulse. Think of this as a shock wave. This pulse travels through the exhaust and at the end of the pipe actually turns around and heads back toward the exhaust valve. The wave will also pull exhaust gas back along its path and if it reaches the open exhaust valve the gases will dilute the air/fuel mixture in the combustion chamber. Under the right (or wrong) conditions this wave will even push some of the air/fuel mixture back through the intake valve into the intake, a common occurrence with short drag pipes.
  • Thermal pulse. Similar to sonic pulse, this is a wave created by the hot gas exiting the exhaust valve. The thermal pulse also reverses direction at the end of the pipe but unfortunately travels at a different rate, thus reaching the combustion chamber at a different time.
  • Exhaust gas velocity. This is the rate at which gas travels through the exhaust system. The optimal velocity is 300 feet per minute. For the most part all stock Harley engines require a 1-3/4" diameter pipe to maintain 300 fpm. Bigger is not always better and a larger pipe will actually slow this velocity thus restricting flow.
So what does all of this mean? To best answer this question let's look at a few different exhaust designs and how they handle the above listed conditions.
  1. Short Drag Pipes
    Since the sonic and thermal pulses don't have as far to travel as in a longer system the wave is able to return faster, thus entering the combustion chamber robbing the engine of power. Drag pipes are tuned for higher rpm large displacement engines where these pulses can be overcome. Some drag pipe makers such as Cycle Shack offer special baffles to help tune their drag pipes. The exception would be the baffled drag pipes offered by V&H similar to those pictured below. The V&H cruiser pipes have that custom look but the baffles help compensate for reversion by providing just the right amount of back pressure.

    One trick is to install anti-reversion or torque cones. When installed inside the head pipes these cones act to repel the pulse waves as they return to the engine and alter velocity as the gas passes through the narrower passage. Performance will still suffer on the lower end since there is no ability to scavenge gases as with a 2 into 1 or stock Harley exhaust.
  2. Large Diameter Open Pipes
    While not plagued with the same problems as short drag pipes, a large diameter open pipe will actually restrict flow since the optimal 300 fpm cannot be achieved. The alternative is to install large diameter stepped pipes such as those from Python and Samson. Installing larger baffles or thunder tubes will change the velocity. Another remedy is to install a large flat washer toward the end of the pipe body. This requires drilling through the muffler or pipe and welding a washer to the end or a bolt. The washer is then held in suspension in the path of the exhaust, acting as a deflector to adjust the velocity.
  3. Long Straight Pipes
    Running long pipes without any baffles fall under the same category as Large/Open Pipes. Removing the baffle will make these pipes real loud but horsepower will suffer. Remember, bigger isn't better when it comes to diameter so stick with 1-3/4" head pipes. There are drag pipes incorporating 1-3/4" head pipes and 2" mufflers such as those made by Python, Samson, V&H, Dyno Power, and Hooker. All have excellent offerings in straight pipe designs tuned for standard displacement Harley's. Python also offers a staggered dual system with a hidden cross-over, thus providing some of the benefits of a 2-into-1 exhaust.

  4. 2 into1
    Exhaust systems that use a single collector (2-1) are well tuned for low end torque on stock engines, however they can be restrictive at higher rpm's. This system's collector does an excellent job at scavenging gasses and reducing reversion or pulses similar to that of a stock Harley exhaust with a cross-over. The trade off when choosing a 2-1 exhaust is sometimes sound and looks. Some systems include interchangeable baffles to achieve just the right sound and flow. Python, Hooker, White Brothers, Samson, Vance & Hines, and Thunder headers are a few of the 2-1 systems that are well made and top performing.

  5. True Duals
    Mostly used on Road Kings, "True Duals" have picked up popularity for use on Softails and custom cruisers. The term "Duals" refers to having an exhaust pipe on both sides of the bike. These look especially cool on a Heritage or Fatboy for a custom look. Be sure to look for a dual system that incorporates a cross-over for best performance. Duals that do not have a cross-over tend to have rougher idle characteristics. Rinehart and Samson both make well known True Dual systems for Softails and Road Kings.
  6. Slip-Fit Mufflers
    These are an excellent choice since your retain your stock Harley exhaust pipes while adding improved performance and sound. Since the original pipes are kept, velocity and lower end torque is retained. Slip fit mufflers increase flow compared to factory mufflers which are restrictive because of government regulations. Screamin' Eagle mufflers have long been very popular, however the newer S.E. II's are quieter and more restrictive than the older versions.Python, Bub, and Cycle Shackall produce good quality slip-fit mufflers.
In conclusion the slip-fit mufflers are often the most economical choice, while longer pipes and 2-1 collectors are the best overall performers in a Harley exhaust system. Drag pipes and large open pipes look and sound "cool" but are definitely tuned for larger engines, thus giving up alot of lower end torque where most daily riders need the power. While the old-school method of punching a hole in your mufflers will produce enough noise from your exhaust to wake the neighbors, this can never compare to a well tuned exhaust system.
When installing a new exhaust system don't forget to fine tune and rejet your carb. If your bike is an EFI model you will need to have it remapped to compensate for the free-breathing exhaust.

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Old Feb 5th, 2010, 09:54 AM     #1
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Great explanation and discussion. You answered all my questions and gave me additional knowledge I lacked. Thanks.
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anyone who was on the fence about exhaust will now be in the know..........excellent
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