Redhamster212

Redhamster212 · Mar 1st, 2009, 03:26 AM

Hi Mate,
I have a HD 1993 FXRS-C 08/93, my problem is starting, the first time I hit the starter it makes a load click and I release the button straight away, then try again and it will crank over (Most Times), I have listed some details of the bike below and all electrical has been checked and battery load tested (Fully Charged Twice);

Starter: 1 week old, bought 1.4kw to replace original OEM to fix this problem
(Problem Still There) after $500 bucks

Battery: CTX20-BS; Load Tested Twice and result was (275cca) under load test
Battery Float before start: 12.98 vdc

Bike was second hand so do not know all that has been done to it,

Compression (Cold) 170psi each pot), this confirmed by bike shop

Cam: Andrews EV27
Valves: Noisy
Starter Relay was Changed with New Starter Motor

Ignition: Standard

I do not know what is going on but any help to fix this would be welcomed,
Regards
Greg Cousen
(Lurchy)

glider · Mar 1st, 2009, 07:47 AM

You didn't mention if the engine cranks over when you get the loud click or if it doesn't. Have you checked the battery cable resistance? Also was the starter solenoid replaced with the starter?

Crocker · Mar 1st, 2009, 09:38 AM

I would suggest looking in to your starter Reley, I think you have a late 1999 style not sure on your bike I know the late 99 FL were diffrent then the early 99 FL.

Redhamster212 · Mar 1st, 2009, 01:45 PM

Thanks for the reply guys,
i have not checked resistance in battery cables but will do today, the moter will not crank on first hit on start button just get a loud clunk when solenoid engages, it seems only to be able to crank on the second hit on the starter, the starter motor was a complete unit with solenoid, this is the same problem i had with the original oem starter. I do know the battery leads have crimped and soldered terminals on them and a auto lecky i took one of the cables to said they are the same size he uses in 4 cyl cars.
Lurchy

glider · Mar 1st, 2009, 03:28 PM

It sounds as if the problem you stated was with the first starter/solenoid also?
I would check over the green wire on the starter solenoid and also the end terminal on the main battery cable at the starter, again check the resistance in the wires with a DVOM with the cables attached when you crank the engine and check the resistance reading.

Also

How To Check A Starter Solenoid - Harley Davidson Community

and

Testing Battery Cables - Harley Davidson Community

TQuentin1 · Mar 1st, 2009, 05:21 PM

On a different problem you ID'd, since you have an aftermarket cam, you may have adjustable pushrods in it too. You might go through the pushrod adjustment process and see if that quiets down the top end noise.

Adjusting Pushrods - Harley Davidson Community

TQ

k9mog · Mar 2nd, 2009, 01:48 AM

I have had the same problem with my '92 FXR. I replaced the starter relay and it fixed the problem.

Redhamster212 · Mar 2nd, 2009, 03:03 AM

Hi Guys,
Glider,
i will check the resistance in the cables to see if that is the problem, and yep i did have the same problem with the OEM starter, as mentioned i have changed the start relay, the wire from the start relay to the solenoid i will check again also, will the resistance test work on this wire also?

TQuentini,
the pushrods are standard as the bike shop said they were the right length, when it comes to push rods etc i am completely in the dark, i was told that the noise was due to the Andrews EV27 cam not having a very big overlap (Very steep drop off) on the lobs and this causes the noise, i do not know.
as mentioned thanks for the reply and help guys
Lurchy

Hi Again, as you probly guessed i am from aussie, also how do you get a pic of you bike in your post like most of you have regards
Lurchy

glider · Mar 2nd, 2009, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redhamster212

Hi Again, as you probly guessed i am from aussie, also how do you get a pic of you bike in your post like most of you have regards
Lurchy

This should help...

Harley Davidson Community

biglew55 · Mar 2nd, 2009, 07:49 AM

Have you considered one of these? I have thought about putting one of these on my bike as insurance, but never have.

400227 - Spyke Solenoid End Cover Starter Button - 1.6 & 1.8 KW Starters

Mar 1st, 2009, 03:26 AM	#1
Redhamster212 Start The Engine Ride: 1993 FXRS-C Join Date: Mar 1st, 2009 Location: Mackay, Qld, Australia Posts: 13 My Mood:	Redhamster212 Hi Mate, I have a HD 1993 FXRS-C 08/93, my problem is starting, the first time I hit the starter it makes a load click and I release the button straight away, then try again and it will crank over (Most Times), I have listed some details of the bike below and all electrical has been checked and battery load tested (Fully Charged Twice); Starter: 1 week old, bought 1.4kw to replace original OEM to fix this problem (Problem Still There) after $500 bucks Battery: CTX20-BS; Load Tested Twice and result was (275cca) under load test Battery Float before start: 12.98 vdc Bike was second hand so do not know all that has been done to it, Compression (Cold) 170psi each pot), this confirmed by bike shop Cam: Andrews EV27 Valves: Noisy Starter Relay was Changed with New Starter Motor Ignition: Standard I do not know what is going on but any help to fix this would be welcomed, Regards Greg Cousen (Lurchy)

Mar 1st, 2009, 07:47 AM	#2
glider Community Liaison Ride: 07 Road King Classic Join Date: Jun 21st, 2007 Posts: 21,064 My Mood:	Re: Redhamster212 You didn't mention if the engine cranks over when you get the loud click or if it doesn't. Have you checked the battery cable resistance? Also was the starter solenoid replaced with the starter? __________________ Psssst! Please stop by the "self help section" for maintenance tips, diagnostic codes and much more. click me!>>Self Help Information and Tips<< click me!

Mar 1st, 2009, 09:38 AM	#3
Crocker Play The Throttle Ride: 07 FLHX Join Date: Dec 31st, 2008 Location: NE PA Posts: 200 My Mood:	Re: Redhamster212 I would suggest looking in to your starter Reley, I think you have a late 1999 style not sure on your bike I know the late 99 FL were diffrent then the early 99 FL.

Mar 1st, 2009, 01:45 PM	#4
Redhamster212 Start The Engine Ride: 1993 FXRS-C Join Date: Mar 1st, 2009 Location: Mackay, Qld, Australia Posts: 13 My Mood:	Re: Redhamster212 Thanks for the reply guys, i have not checked resistance in battery cables but will do today, the moter will not crank on first hit on start button just get a loud clunk when solenoid engages, it seems only to be able to crank on the second hit on the starter, the starter motor was a complete unit with solenoid, this is the same problem i had with the original oem starter. I do know the battery leads have crimped and soldered terminals on them and a auto lecky i took one of the cables to said they are the same size he uses in 4 cyl cars. Lurchy

Mar 1st, 2009, 03:28 PM	#5
glider Community Liaison Ride: 07 Road King Classic Join Date: Jun 21st, 2007 Posts: 21,064 My Mood:	Re: Redhamster212 It sounds as if the problem you stated was with the first starter/solenoid also? I would check over the green wire on the starter solenoid and also the end terminal on the main battery cable at the starter, again check the resistance in the wires with a DVOM with the cables attached when you crank the engine and check the resistance reading. Also How To Check A Starter Solenoid - Harley Davidson Community and Testing Battery Cables - Harley Davidson Community __________________ Psssst! Please stop by the "self help section" for maintenance tips, diagnostic codes and much more. click me!>>Self Help Information and Tips<< click me!

Mar 1st, 2009, 05:21 PM	#6
TQuentin1 Moderators Ride: '03 FLHTCUI (Ultra Classic) Join Date: Apr 4th, 2008 Location: Sugar Land, TX Posts: 2,332	Re: Redhamster212 On a different problem you ID'd, since you have an aftermarket cam, you may have adjustable pushrods in it too. You might go through the pushrod adjustment process and see if that quiets down the top end noise. Adjusting Pushrods - Harley Davidson Community TQ __________________ Please stop by the "self help section" for maintenance tips, diagnostic codes and much more. >>Self Help Information and Tips<< click me!

Mar 2nd, 2009, 01:48 AM	#7
k9mog New Family Ride: 2007 Ultra Join Date: Feb 28th, 2009 Location: Bay Area California Posts: 6 My Mood:	Re: Redhamster212 I have had the same problem with my '92 FXR. I replaced the starter relay and it fixed the problem.

Mar 2nd, 2009, 03:03 AM	#8
Redhamster212 Start The Engine Ride: 1993 FXRS-C Join Date: Mar 1st, 2009 Location: Mackay, Qld, Australia Posts: 13 My Mood:	Hi Guys, Glider, i will check the resistance in the cables to see if that is the problem, and yep i did have the same problem with the OEM starter, as mentioned i have changed the start relay, the wire from the start relay to the solenoid i will check again also, will the resistance test work on this wire also? TQuentini, the pushrods are standard as the bike shop said they were the right length, when it comes to push rods etc i am completely in the dark, i was told that the noise was due to the Andrews EV27 cam not having a very big overlap (Very steep drop off) on the lobs and this causes the noise, i do not know. as mentioned thanks for the reply and help guys Lurchy Hi Again, as you probly guessed i am from aussie, also how do you get a pic of you bike in your post like most of you have regards Lurchy Last edited by TQuentin1; Mar 2nd, 2009 at 07:38 AM. Reason: follow on post

Mar 2nd, 2009, 07:49 AM	#10
biglew55 Community Guru Ride: 2009 FLHX Join Date: Oct 1st, 2008 Location: Quad Cities Posts: 2,268 My Mood:	Re: Redhamster212 Have you considered one of these? I have thought about putting one of these on my bike as insurance, but never have. 400227 - Spyke Solenoid End Cover Starter Button - 1.6 & 1.8 KW Starters __________________ "Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow." - James Dean Ride it hard and ride it far!

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