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CV Carburetor Jet Adjustment/Trouble Shooting

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CV Carburetor Jet Adjustment/Trouble Shooting
Published by glider (Community Liaison)
Published date: Jul 18th, 2007

CV Carburetor Jet Adjustment

Our most common question about carburetor and Fuel Injection is "How do I know if my jetting is correct? A typical question might go; " I just added a new motorcycle exhaust system to my bike. Do I need to change the jetting? My exhaust color seems to be fine." Or, "I don't have access to a Dyno, how do I tell if my jetting is correct?" Long before Dynamometers became common, we used to do jetting using the "plug chop" method. We will discuss it and some general jetting rules here.

From the factory, your motorcycle came with standardized EPA mandated lean jetting and restrictive intake and exhaust. In some locales, this jetting is so lean it must be changed to prevent damage to the engine. The standard jetting has varied over the models of carburetors and model years.

All of the motorcycle part information below is based on your engine intake system being properly sealed and no other problems exist. An intake leak will throw spark plug readings way off. One of the most common problems is the off idle "pop" and backfire at slow engine speeds. This is usually caused by the idle mixture being excessively lean and is easily corrected by correct jetting and / or the use of a jet kit. The ignition timing needs to be correct and the ignition system must be functioning correctly. A weak or poor spark will drastically alter your plug readings.

We like to do our jetting in two stages. First, we need to get the idle and low speed jetting correct and then we work on the high speed or main jetting.

In our example, we will discuss the Keihin CV used since 1989 on Sportsters and 1990 on Big Twins. The adjustments may differ for S&S "E", HSR Mikuni and others such as the Quick Silver from Edelbrock.

Before you start, have a collection of fresh unused plugs gapped and ready to use. We will need at least three new sets for this test. We use Champion plugs for plug chops. You can get them at local motorcycle parts stores for far less than the OEM plugs. EVO Big Twin use RN12YC. EVO XL and TC88 use the RA8HC.

On the CV, adjust the idle mixture while idling. Closing the idle mixture screw slowly should cause the idle to become rough. Slowly turn the screw out until the engine again idles smoothly. Add approximately 1/8 to ¼ turn more. If closing the screw makes no difference in idle speed or smoothness, you will have to use the next smaller pilot jet. Until the 2000 model year, most Big Twins have a #42 as the stock pilot jet. 2000 models use a #45 stock. In some cases, depending on the bike setup and altitude, a #45 may actually be too large. Drag Specialties provides a #44 pilot jet, which works very well under most conditions. If you have to turn the screw out more than 3 turns, consider increasing jet size to the next larger pilot. A Creative Cycle Products idle mixture needle (CP005) comes in handy here as it allows you to adjust the mixture without tools.

After setting the idle speed and idle mixture correctly, change to a fresh set of plugs. We highly recommend using some anti seize on the threads to prevent galling. After installing the plugs, you want to ride around at part throttle gently accelerating but keeping below ½ throttle. You want to stay on the low speed circuit as much as possible. After about one mile, pull in the clutch and kill the engine. Remove the sparkplugs. Look at the insulator from the tip down as far as you can see. We are not concerned with the grounding tip or the base of the plug. We are looking for an off white, eggshell to very, very light tan. The rear plug should read slightly richer than the front and you want to jet off of the front cylinder readings. The reason for the difference is inherent in the design of the 45° V-Twin and the intake. If you are reading to rich, you may need to lean out the pilot jet or close the screw slightly. If you are reading very white or no color at all you will need to open the idle mixture more or go up one size. If the plug reading is good, we are set to do the main jetting. With todays fuels that are missing the lead, it's difficult to get a reading from the plugs at all.

To do the main jet you need a place where you can accelerate at wide-open throttle through at least third gear, preferably fourth gear safely.

The procedure is simple. After riding to the location, change to a fresh set of plugs. Start the engine and immediately accelerate at wide-open throttle as described above. Do not idle or use motorcycle part throttle. After accelerating, pull in the clutch; hit the kill switch and coast to a stop. Remove the plugs and examine as before.

If the plugs are reading very white of no indication at all, you are lean and need to go up one size on your main jet. If you are reading a tan or darker, you will need to go down at least one size depending on how dark the plug reads.

You will need to repeat this procedure until the plug readings are correct. This is why we suggest using inexpensive plugs. You can change back to the more expensive ones later.

Fine tuning: When you are getting close on the main jet you can fine tune with the needle if yours has a clip raising the clip lowers the needle and leans out the mixture. Lowering the clip richens the mixture. If your carburetor is not equipped with a clip, thin washers can be used to do fine tuning if needed.


Here's a quick test that will tell you if you have to fat of a jet in the top end....
Run the bike through the gears into third gear and run third up to 60-70 MPH full throttle, then chop the throttle about 1/8 to 1/4 back and see if the bike either surges ahead or stumbles then recovers.

If it surges ahead, your jetting is lean
If it stumbles and recovers , your jetting is rich
If it makes no difference, you're pretty close.

Quick and easy, pretty accurate too.
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Re: CV Carburetor Jet Adjustment/Trouble Shooting

Dear Glider,

I have a stock 05 1200 Sportster Roadster ( except for Harley Baloney cut tapered slip-on's. They have 5 - 1/4" holes drilled in a pattern in each of their vertical baffles. I installed the #4 washers per the forum message you wrote and I believe the bike has lost mid range torque ( 2500 - 4500rpm) It has always cough-sputtered going from idle sometimes and has even coughed and died many times. Had fair get up and go ( but I would have thought a 1200 would have been zippier. I even put back on the SE air intake kit that I had taken off about 8 months after it had been installed. It ran worst ( more cough sputter and the dealer had changed to the next size larger jet ) It ran like a real bag and I had them take it back to stock again and back on w/ stock air intake. Gets great gas mileage ( over 56mpg on hwy). Anything else I've done wrong or need to do yet before I try a Mikuni 42 carb. and try to be done with it? I'd like to save the $$$ and not do that.

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Re: CV Carburetor Jet Adjustment/Trouble Shooting

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Dear Glider,

I have a stock 05 1200 Sportster Roadster ( except for Harley Baloney cut tapered slip-on's. They have 5 - 1/4" holes drilled in a pattern in each of their vertical baffles. I installed the #4 washers per the forum message you wrote and I believe the bike has lost mid range torque ( 2500 - 4500rpm) It has always cough-sputtered going from idle sometimes and has even coughed and died many times. Had fair get up and go ( but I would have thought a 1200 would have been zippier. I even put back on the SE air intake kit that I had taken off about 8 months after it had been installed. It ran worst ( more cough sputter and the dealer had changed to the next size larger jet ) It ran like a real bag and I had them take it back to stock again and back on w/ stock air intake. Gets great gas mileage ( over 56mpg on hwy). Anything else I've done wrong or need to do yet before I try a Mikuni 42 carb. and try to be done with it? I'd like to save the $$$ and not do that.

Thanks in advance for help.

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1/4" holes in the baffles???? do you mean the end caps of the pipes of so there not the baffles, did you do it or was it bought like this?
Ist up other than the pipes you say you are not running the SE filter kit, out this back on and get that bike breathing.
What size pilot jet is in the bike?
is there a little DJ stamped on the main jets?

If there is a DJ kit in the bike i have found them very difficult to tune and usually remove them and start from scratch, they tell you to drill the air hole in the slide causing it open to fast and the add a weaker spring as well.

Me i would get the following a 45/46 pilot jet from HD or a aftermarket dealer but NOT a DJ/Yost/or SE kit
get a new slide and orginal needle and spring - add the #4 washer to the new needle in the new slide.
Get the orginal main jets for the bike and the orginal emulsion tube ( the pipe the main jet goes in) unless its stock in the carb.
the get a selection of jets starting from a 170 thru to 180 which will be 3 jets.
start with 175 and either go up or down from there, also turn out the mixture 2.5 turns from seated.
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...also turn out the mixture 2.5 turns from seated.
As a starting point and adjust it properly from there.
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Re: CV Carburetor Jet Adjustment/Trouble Shooting

First off, thanks for the responses and tips!!!

Sorry, I didn’t chose my wording better regarding the "baffles" w/holes. I was speaking about the vertical divider in a Harley baffle that separated the 2 halves of the slip on's that forces the exhaust to flow thru the baffle holes on each side of this “vertical divider.” The 1/4" holes ( 5 of them ) are drilled in this plate to open up the restriction and make it sound a bit louder. The bike had more mid range “zip” before I used the washer trick. Also, the bike has had these issues since day one and others I talk to have had the same w/stock. So, it's no worst and no better than when I drove it home new. I've it in to the dealership several times and had all air leaks and other possible issues (less fuel/air mixtures) ruled out. I don't really get the sense that the Dealer techs really really understand carbs and fuel/air stuff properly like the "old schooler" use to. Maybe I mistaken on that.

I have read many articles that adding more air intake flow decreases mid-range torque (2500-4500rpm) and only improves in the 4500rpm up region with horse power. Seen the dyno's on that as proof as well. This is way too late for my needs as I don't race the bike. I guess I will be going to a K&N filter for the standard air box next, for a better filter that’s cleanable and does filter & flow better with the balanced stock air box. What I really would like is to have the following:

1) Get rid of the sputting-coughing in idle to run (also sometimes it dies)

2) Improve the zip from 2500 - 4500rpm for zip in merging etc.

3) Retain the great gas mileage it has at present (at least within 2-3 mpgs of present)

From what I have understood from several different HD dealer tech’s is that this problem has been with the Sportsters for a while and it only got worst when they added more air (SE kit leaned it more) but then tried to fix that with next size larger jet (believe it was 45 size) and it was running to rich. I could ride it better stock than the "fixes" that were provided at that time. I'm not racing the bike and it doesn't see 5000 rpm much if ever. Just a good, smooth running, zippy 1200 Sportster is all I ask (Unless that's an oxymoron)
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Re: CV Carburetor Jet Adjustment/Trouble Shooting

If you follow the advice in this post which will pertain to your sporty also, you should have a smooth running bike. The problem with setting up any carb is the transition from one circuit to the other in the carb. Once you get that in check they will run real well.

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