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*Twin Cam CV Carb Rejet Suggestions

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*Twin Cam CV Carb Rejet Suggestions
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Published date: Jun 23rd, 2007

These suggestions will also work on EVO carbed models too.

A tried and true for "most" carbs in twin cam bikes for rejetting with intake and exhaust mods would be on the low speed jet 45/46 (46 being the best usually), and on the high speed jet would be 185/190 (190 usually being stock). Install 2 - #4 washers (available in most hardware stores) under the main jet needle to raise it up .050 (see detail below), and readjust the idle mixture to the highest and steadiest setting, usually found about 2 1/2 to 3 turns open after LIGHTLY seating it and backing it out. This is done after the removal of the concealment plug that covers the idle screw from the factory. Care should be taken when drilling a hole to remove this conceament plug because if the drill goes through the plug and contacts the screw, it can turn the screw in and bottom it out damaging the seat of the mixture adjustment. All adjustments to mixture should be made at full operating temps. This mod will set you back about $4-$5 total.


The #46 jet is hard to find , here's a link if you need it..... #46 pilot jet




This can be done without removing the carb by rotating it slightly for better access to the screws and works best with a stage 1 intake kit. Using the stock air cleaner would cause a rich condition with this proceedure.

Refer to the other CV Carb posts in this area for more info and pictures of the carb to help you out here.

The installation of the washers is an easy thing to do and is pretty much straight foward. It just takes a little patients to seat the diaphram back into the groove when you reassemble it. No experience needed, just straight foward common sense using a light handed circular motion to gather it up and drop into the groove in the carb body, You'll feel it drop in when you do it .The washers go under the ring on the needle after lifting it out of the diaphram to raise it up in the assembly as seen in the pic at the bottom here .

I prefer not to drill the vacuum port in the slide. It can cause pop backs under certain conditions in cold weather and low RPM's.Also slide spring replacement for a weaker one or cutting the origional one is also optional here.

I prefer this method to replacement of the main jet needle as not all know how to determine which needle would be the best for their application and it eliminates the guesswork. It also does not require dyno runs to validate the results. It works in most cases as a cut and dry method of getting a seat of the pants improvement without the time and expense of the DJ carb and other kits at $60-$100 and does not kill your MPG like the kits or sporty needle has done.


Some people decide to use the sporty needle # 27094-88 in their upgrade. These are my feelings on doing this. That needle comes from a carb that had NO accelerator pump and when you install it in a carb that does have an accelerator pump, it for sure will give you more fuel when you get into the accelerator circuit, but I feel it gives you too much fuel at that time and that's why I prefer the shimming with washers against the replacement of the needle to the sportster needle. The taper of the stock needle is more condusive to better mileage than the sporty needle is and if you were to ride two identical bikes with the two different setups, you really could not tell the difference.

This is how it works.



1. Slide Spring
2. Slide Diaphragm
3. Vacuum Slide
4. Vacuum Port
5. Needle Jet
6. Main Air Jet
7. Main Jet
8. Slow Jet
9. Idle Mixture Adjustment Screw
10. Throttle Plate

Here's a true cutaway of a CV carb for comparison.


This graph shows how the different fuel circuits overlap and where they fall into the fuel deliviery of the CV carb...
No jet acts independently of the others but rather they work together to deliver gasoline to the engine. They do however target specific throttle openings and have the most effect is that area.


The air screw is most effective between idle through 1/8 throttle.

The pilot (slow) jet is most effective between 1/8 through 1/4 throttle.

The slide valve is most effective between 1/8 through 1/2 throttle

The jet needle is most effective between 1/4 through 3/4 throttle.

The main jet is most effective between 3/4 through wide-open throttle.

IDLE: Set idle speed to proper r.p.m. by adjusting the IDLE SPEED SCREW. Turn the AIR SCREW to achieve the highest speed and best response. After adjustment has been made reset the IDLE SPEED SCREW to the proper r.p.m.
OFF IDLE to 1/4 THROTTLE: The SLOW JET and AIR SCREW are most effective in this range When you want a richer mixture use a larger SLOW JET or turn the AIR SCREW in. The opposite holds true for a leaner mixture
1/4 to 3/4 THROTTLE: The JET NEEDLE is the most effective component in this range. Raising the needle by lowering the chip position at the top of the needle will richen the mixture. Lowering the needle will lean the mixture.
WIDE OPEN THROTTLE: Changing the MAIN JET affects this range. Select the size which offers the best wide open throttle. performance, then install one size larger MAIN JET for ideal engine durability.


Quick and easy way of testing the main jet size.

Run the bike through the gears into third gear and run third up to 60-70 MPH full throttle, then chop the throttle about 1/8 to 1/4 back and see if the bike either surges ahead or stumbles then recovers.

If it surges ahead, your jetting is lean
If it stumbles and recovers , your jetting is rich
If it makes no difference, you're pretty close.


This will give you an idea of the adjustable jet needles and how to richen up the mixture.
Using the stock jet needle, you shim it up with 2 - #4 washers under the head to raise it up in the slide.
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I Have A Question On The Markings Of The Jet Needles (stock); I Really Hope Someone Can Share Some Light For Me.......i Went To Harley And No One Can Tell Me What This Code Means : Ncqb......is This For A (stock) Twin Cam Or Evo (stock). Thanks, Lenny
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I Have A Question On The Markings Of The Jet Needles (stock); I Really Hope Someone Can Share Some Light For Me.......i Went To Harley And No One Can Tell Me What This Code Means : Ncqb......is This For A (stock) Twin Cam Or Evo (stock). Thanks, Lenny
The markings denote different tapers on the needle. The higher the taper on the needle, the earlier the fuel flows is about the easiest way to explain it.

Maybe this will help explain it.

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Ok.....i set up the bike pretty much to your instructions and the bike runs strong...but i notice when i crack the throttle hard i get some black smoke and the bike runs hot. I put a 185 main and a 46 slow. Also the bike seems to hesitate a little when running low speeds. What is your take on this? Thanks again glider!!!!!!
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Ok.....i set up the bike pretty much to your instructions and the bike runs strong...but i notice when i crack the throttle hard i get some black smoke and the bike runs hot. I put a 185 main and a 46 slow. Also the bike seems to hesitate a little when running low speeds. What is your take on this? Thanks again glider!!!!!!

Yours being an 80 evo engine, you may be giving too much gas with those jets. Try a 45 in there and you didn't mention if you did the idle mixture screw either. You may be able to go with the 46 if you can gain the adjustment needed to cut down on the fuel with the idle mixture screw.
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*Twin Cam CV Carb Rejet Suggestions

I'm very sorry....i should have mentioned it was for my 2004 fxst tc. And on the slow jet, the screw was turned 2 1/4. Thanks again!

Ok....here's my set up now. Twin cam with 95 kit, vance & hines q series pipes with baffles, k&n air filter, 203 cams- i did gliders set up but i put a 190 main, 46 slow and one .34 # 4 washer; with 1 1/4 turns on the fuel mixture screw. The bike runs awesome but i have a slight hesitation on lower rpm speed, no popping from the carb but when i let go of the throttle.....some popping from the pipes. Plmk what i should do?

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with 1 1/4 turns on the fuel mixture screw.
The first thing I would do is to adjust that screw properly to the highest and steadiest engine speed and see where that goes.

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Hello again! Ok this is what i've done. I put a 44 slow jet at 2 1/2 turns 190 main.....and man.....it rides sweet! Now here's my question what should be the running temp for my set up (tc 95 w/203 cams) also on the end of your tc carb rejet suggestion- you write about the main jet being the right choice......running the bike in "third gear" up to 60-70 mph full throttle....no can do on my bike.....the max i can get it up to is 55 mph without the bike sounding if it's going to blow up. Any ideas? You have helped me very much on this long venture......i've been fight with my carb for 3 yrs. And thanks to you i've fallen in love again with my bike.

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Now here's my question what should be the running temp for my set up (tc 95 w/203 cams) also on the end of your tc carb rejet suggestion- you write about the main jet being the right choice......running the bike in "third gear" up to 60-70 mph full throttle....no can do on my bike.....the max i can get it up to is 55 mph without the bike sounding if it's going to blow up. Any ideas? You have helped me very much on this long venture......i've been fight with my carb for 3 yrs. And thanks to you i've fallen in love again with my bike.

Thanks again!

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By running temps, I assume you mean oil temp, that should be in the area of 200* to 240* or thereabouts.

The #44 low jet sounds a bit small and probably a #45 would return better drivability. As far as the engine sound at that speed, they will sound a bit "tense" but at 55 mph in third gear, you aren't even close to blowing it up by any means. 55 MPH is aprox 3800 rpm's on your bike.

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Now that i have my evo running again......here's my question.....my evo has the following stock engine case and fly wheel cylinders are 10 over with wiseco high comp pistons with screamin eagle heads, andrews ev3 cam and screamin eagle breather kit and vance & hines short shot exhaust. Now the carb is stock except that the slow jet is .44 and the main is 175.....i got the stock needle with one washer under it with 2 1/2 turns. It idles well and sounds good but seems a bit slow on the take off. She feels good once your in 5th gear.......but slow in the beginning on gears 1-4. Any ideas?

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