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Jump Starting a Dead Battery

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Jump Starting a Dead Battery
Published by glider (Community Liaison)
Published date: Nov 30th, 2007

Assuming that you have, or can get, a set of jumper cables when you find that your motorcycle battery is dead, getting the bike started is no big deal. But you can cause harm if you do it wrong.

A few tips here are NEVER use a charger with a boost feature to get your bike started. It will usually damage a radio if your bike has one. Always use a slow charge of a low amperage to charge a motorcycle battery (less than 10 amps) preferably around 2 amps would be ideal.

Connecting batteries in series is what you do when you pop a couple of cells into your flashlight. That is, you put the positive terminal of one battery into contact with the negative terminal of another. The result is that the voltage provided is the sum of the voltages of both batteries. This is NOT THE WAY to connect motorcycle batteries!!!

When you connect batteries in parallel, by placing the positive terminal of one into contact with the positive terminal of the other and the same with the negative terminals, then the voltage that results remains the same, but the amount of current that can be produced is raised. You need current to power your starter.

Always be sure that the batteries you will be connecting together are of the same voltage.

Always connect the same polarity terminals together when jumping a battery.


If you connect the opposite polarity terminals together your battery can EXPLODE!

Always wear eye protection when jumping a battery!


Batteries can explode from another cause as well: a charging battery creates hydrogen gas.

Make sure the vent tube on your battery is connected properly.

Make sure you are in a well ventilated environment - preferably outside.

Do NOT SMOKE while charging or jumping a battery as the hydrogen gas that is emitted from a battery is explosive.

Lay out your jumper cable so that the connectors are not touching each other. Then, connect the positive (red) lead of the cable closest to your dead battery to the positive terminal on that battery followed by connecting the negative lead (black) to your negative battery terminal. Be sure that these connections are firm , wiggle them a little in order to let the teeth (if any) on the jumper leads cut into the terminal metal posts.

Always start by making the connections on your dead battery.


Why? Because you cannot kill a dead battery! (If the loose ends of the jumper cable were to touch each other.)

It might be better if you connected the negative lead to some part of your bike frame rather than to the negative battery terminal in order to keep any potential sparks away from generated hydrogen gas. However, there cannot be a spark from a dead battery, connecting the leads to the dead battery does not yet create a circuit, and in the next step you will take pains to avoid a spark with the live battery.

Next, connect the positive (red) lead of the other end of the jumper cable to the functional battery's positive terminal. Again, wiggle the connection to encourage a good 'bite' of metal to metal. If you are unable to gain access to the battery terminals on the donor vehicle, (many are very inconveniently located), you can connect the positive jumper lead to the starter solenoid lead closest to the battery.

Finally, connect the remaining (black) lead to some part of the frame of the donor vehicle. Since the negative terminal of all modern vehicles have their negative battery terminal connected to the frame of the vehicle (called a ground), this is the same as connecting to the negative terminal of the battery. However, since this last connection establishes a live circuit, it is possible for there to be a spark when the connection is made. You want any spark that might occur to be as far away from the battery as is reasonably possible.

Though MOST vehicles today use a negative ground, you must check to be sure that is the case before you connect the jumper cables to the donor battery. You can still use it even if that vehicle uses a positive ground, but you must remember to connect positive to positive and negative to negative.


Generally speaking, it does not matter if the vehicle engine is running or not when you do this. The battery will be producing the proper voltage and current to do the job, and not so much that you might do harm.

If your battery is dead because it has developed an internal short, you can easily kill the donor battery when connecting it if the donor vehicle is not running at the time, but

If it is running and your battery is shorted you can damage the donor vehicle's voltage regulator or alternator system when you connect the jumper cables.


If the donor vehicle is not running when you connect the jumper cables,

DO NOT START THE DONOR VEHICLE while it is connected to your motorcycle battery.


While the starting current drain is not going to be a problem, the subsequent charging current to replenish the battery could be more than your motorcycle battery can handle.

You do not have to be in a hurry while the jumper cables are connected. Indeed, so long as those cables are connected the donor battery is charging your motorcycle battery. After a couple of minutes the charge might be sufficient for you to be able to start your bike using just your own battery. In any event, it is now time to start your motorcycle. It is usually best to simply leave the jumper cable in place when you start the motorcycle.

Let your motorcycle run about 15 seconds while the jumper cable remains in place. Then, remove the negative (black) lead from the donor vehicle's frame (assuming it was a normal negative-ground system). Again, this step could cause a spark, but because the connection is away from the battery, it poses no danger.

Now disconnect the positive (red) lead from the donor battery terminal. You must be very careful not to let the jumper cable leads touch each other at this time. To do so WILL KILL YOUR MOTORCYCLE BATTERY, possibly permanently!

Disconnect the jumper leads from your motorcycle battery (in any order - there cannot be a spark from doing so.)

Let the motorcycle idle (high - over 1,000 RPM) for a few minutes before you attempt to ride off into the sunset to give its charging system a chance to restore your battery.

Thank the person who donated the use of their battery to get you going again. You could have killed that battery if you had done it wrong, so he took some risk for you as well as provided his courtesy.
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Old May 7th, 2009, 12:15 PM     #1
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Re: Jump Starting a Dead Battery

Can you use a car battery as the donor?
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Old May 7th, 2009, 12:35 PM     #2
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Re: Jump Starting a Dead Battery

Not recommended because of the higher amperage in the car battery.The spike could cause electrical damage to the bikes systems. Always best to slow charge a batter instead. If you must jump it, go to another bike if you can.

If you have no choice, use a car battery but not with the car running and cross your fingers then.
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Re: Jump Starting a Dead Battery

Also your charging system is not designed to recharge a dead battery. It is only supposed to maintain a battery. When you get home put the charger on the battery to get a good recharge. You can over stress your charging system by charging a dead battery
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Re: Jump Starting a Dead Battery

Hmm, I've been told, and read not to ever jump from a running vehical. If it wont start with 12 volts in series, swap out the battery, or take it out and trickle charge it, and see if it holds a charge. You can fry your stator or Voltage regulator.

Also just added the 40 AMP 3PH system to my 87, I love it!!
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Re: Jump Starting a Dead Battery

When you connect your battery to a car battery in parallel mode + with + and - with - the power request for the start motor to start the engine is only what the bike needs.
You can have a 12v 600Ah battery and if the starter motor needs 50A it only use 50A.

The only drawback is the bike charging system that is not capable of charging both batteries, so if you disconnect the cables as soon as possible there is no problem at all using a car battery.
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Re: Jump Starting a Dead Battery

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When you connect your battery to a car battery in parallel mode + with + and - with - the power request for the start motor to start the engine is only what the bike needs.
You can have a 12v 600Ah battery and if the starter motor needs 50A it only use 50A.

The only drawback is the bike charging system that is not capable of charging both batteries, so if you disconnect the cables as soon as possible there is no problem at all using a car battery.


Actually the problem arises when using a car battery to jump a bike battery is the dissimilar amp hour rating (size) of the two batteries. When you take a fully charged car battery and jump it to a dead or low bike battery the surge from the car to the bike is where the problem is and can damage not only the bikes battery but the electronics on the bike as well in the way of spikes.
Definitely not a good practice.
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Re: Jump Starting a Dead Battery

I prefer to call a friend and jump bike to bike after I pop the headlamp fuse out, if I'm on the road, other wise doesn't take long on a charger if I'm at home, although I use a battery tender so it never happens at home
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Re: Jump Starting a Dead Battery

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Can you use a car battery as the donor?
As long as the donor vehicle is not running, the battery and surface charge is only going to be about 13V, and the jumper cable clips you use to "transfuse" the energy have additional contact resistance that should also act as a slight buffer for voltage transients, so you should be fine. Just do not start up and run the donor vehicle charging system, as voltage transients can still damage the bike charging system if the bad battery is totally discharged.
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