Had Dynorun Done: Opinions Please!!

DDogg · Feb 10th, 2009, 04:10 PM

Bike is a 08 FXDF FatBob. Since the dealer wasn't busy, I got a good deal on taking my stock bike (1400 miles ) and have a Stage 1 done. Dealer installed a Streaming Eagle A/C, Krome Werks 3" slip-ons, and PCIII. They are an authorized Dyno Dealer. Bear with me because I can't really read the readout. This is were I need some help. Printed in blue the bike went from 80.5 Torque to 85.4. Print in Red, the HP went from 63.2 to 73.4. 10 more hp. Good?? O.K.?? I was going to do the work myself but like I said the deal they gave me was pretty good and I understand the best way to install the PCIII is to have it Dyno'd. The dealer is delivering the bike in a couple hours so I haven't ridden it yet. Just paid for it. Did I get what I paid for. Pipes list for 279. Dealer also changed all three holes for me with new filter. Cost: 1100.00. Pick-up and Delivered.
Opinions Please!

Hobbit · Feb 10th, 2009, 04:13 PM

thats not bad at all as dyno per hr over here is £35per hr and takes 6hrs to set up a PCIII and the stage one is £900 (without a PCIII but a fuel PAK) and service is around £252 all + 15% vat so $1100 aint bad
scan your graphs and fire them up so we can see em whats the AFR??

glider · Feb 10th, 2009, 04:15 PM

Break down the $1100 a bit better.

Usually with the stage 1 and slipons with just adding fuel, you can expect 10-12 HP and around the same in TQ. It doesn't sound like they did a custom map for you when they tuned it or the numbers would be a bit higher IMO. Chances are they gave you a canned map.

mstngjoe · Feb 10th, 2009, 04:18 PM

Can you post the dyno sheet? I'd be interested to see the a/f ratios before & after the tune.

That's about a 14% increase in hp.....not bad I'd say.

DDogg · Feb 10th, 2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hobbit

thats not bad at all as dyno per hr over here is £35per hr and takes 6hrs to set up a PCIII and the stage one is £900 (without a PCIII but a fuel PAK) and service is around £252 all + 15% vat so $1100 aint bad
scan your graphs and fire them up so we can see em whats the AFR??

O.K. Hobbit again, bear with me. AFR I take it as Air Fuel Mixture. On the bottom of the graph along side is says AFR. Next to it is a column starting with 10 and reading up to 17. The graph is a line graph stock starting at about 1900 RPM. Both lines are about the same they start at the 14 on the column and drop quick at 2000 rpm to 13/13.5. Stock the line runs pretty straight thru 5500 rpm at about 13 AFR. Now going along the line after dyno the line is running along at 12.5 and RPM's were run up to 6500.

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Originally Posted by mstngjoe

Can you post the dyno sheet? I'd be interested to see the a/f ratios before & after the tune.

That's about a 14% increase in hp.....not bad I'd say.

I'll gladly scan it and post it. I'd love your opinions and a little teaching. I'll scan at work tomorrow and post.

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Originally Posted by glider

Break down the $1100 a bit better.

Usually with the stage 1 and slipons with just adding fuel, you can expect 10-12 HP and around the same in TQ. It doesn't sound like they did a custom map for you when they tuned it or the numbers would be a bit higher IMO. Chances are they gave you a canned map.

A canned map. Please explain the difference.

Hobbit · Feb 10th, 2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DDogg

O.K. Hobbit again, bear with me. AFR I take it as Air Fuel Mixture. On the bottom of the graph along side is says AFR. Next to it is a column starting with 10 and reading up to 17. The graph is a line graph stock starting at about 1900 RPM. Both lines are about the same they start at the 14 on the column and drop quick at 2000 rpm to 13/13.5. Stock the line runs pretty straight thru 5500 rpm at about 13 AFR. Now going along the line after dyno the line is running along at 12.5 and RPM's were run up to 6500.

the 12.5 AFR is a nice mix for a twin specially if it keeps it all the way to 6500
AFR - Air Fuel Ratio
my tuned metric ran 12 on the AFR all the way from idle to 7500rpm with cams/mild cleaning on the heads and a 2-1 race pipe oh and stock bore on the vtwin of 1100

glider · Feb 10th, 2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DDogg

A canned map. Please explain the difference.

A canned map is a map that is available from the PC website and will get you up and running and be close to what you need with no additional adjustments by the tuner.

Optimally there should be mapping of the fuel (AFR) and ignition curves when doing a dyno besides other areas that need attention to be considered a custom map.

mstngjoe · Feb 10th, 2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DDogg

I'll gladly scan it and post it. I'd love your opinions and a little teaching. I'll scan at work tomorrow and post.

Well, don't know about teaching....Most of my dyno experience is on the SuperFlow with a couple of different Mustangs.

I have had my previous bike ('07 Sporty) and my Softail on the dyno before and after mods.

I view the dyno as a good tool for evaluating and tuning. Providing the dyno is correctly calibrated and the operator/tuner is experienced and honest of course.

DDogg · Feb 10th, 2009, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hobbit

the 12.5 AFR is a nice mix for a twin specially if it keeps it all the way to 6500
AFR - Air Fuel Ratio
my tuned metric ran 12 on the AFR all the way from idle to 7500rpm with cams/mild cleaning on the heads and a 2-1 race pipe oh and stock bore on the vtwin of 1100

Coming from you Hobbit, I appreciate it. Like I said, I'll scan it and try to post it. I'd love to get a good opinion on something you can see.

Quote:

Originally Posted by glider

A canned map is a map that is available from the PC website and will get you up and running and be close to what you need with no additional adjustments by the tuner.

Optimally there should be mapping of the fuel (AFR) and ignition curves when doing a dyno besides other areas that need attention to be considered a custom map.

The Dyno sheet I have shows AFR and Torque and RPM's before and after.
This Dyno was done at Wolverine Harley in Mount Clemens, MI. They are a certifed dealer. Doesn't mean anything but they have treated me A-1. I know and it was probably you Glider that said it's best to have the bike dyno if you installing the PCIII. TFI no.

Hobbit · Feb 10th, 2009, 06:54 PM

no probs when i get my big bore i will be tuning to 12.5/12 as this i were my tuner likes em as it keeps the power and keeps them cool - twins unlike 4pots like more fuel

PCIII requires a dyno run to get the best from it

Feb 10th, 2009, 04:10 PM	#1
DDogg Community Star Ride: 2008 Fat Bob Join Date: Aug 30th, 2008 Location: Clinton Twp. Michigan Posts: 602 My Mood:	Had Dynorun Done: Opinions Please!! Bike is a 08 FXDF FatBob. Since the dealer wasn't busy, I got a good deal on taking my stock bike (1400 miles ) and have a Stage 1 done. Dealer installed a Streaming Eagle A/C, Krome Werks 3" slip-ons, and PCIII. They are an authorized Dyno Dealer. Bear with me because I can't really read the readout. This is were I need some help. Printed in blue the bike went from 80.5 Torque to 85.4. Print in Red, the HP went from 63.2 to 73.4. 10 more hp. Good?? O.K.?? I was going to do the work myself but like I said the deal they gave me was pretty good and I understand the best way to install the PCIII is to have it Dyno'd. The dealer is delivering the bike in a couple hours so I haven't ridden it yet. Just paid for it. Did I get what I paid for. Pipes list for 279. Dealer also changed all three holes for me with new filter. Cost: 1100.00. Pick-up and Delivered. Opinions Please! __________________ Treat her good, and she'll ride ya better.

Feb 10th, 2009, 04:13 PM	#2
Hobbit Moderators Ride: 2009 FAST 103 Street Bob Join Date: May 18th, 2007 Location: The Shires UK Posts: 7,625 My Mood:	Re: Had Dynorun Done: Opinions Please!! thats not bad at all as dyno per hr over here is £35per hr and takes 6hrs to set up a PCIII and the stage one is £900 (without a PCIII but a fuel PAK) and service is around £252 all + 15% vat so $1100 aint bad scan your graphs and fire them up so we can see em whats the AFR?? __________________ Please stop by the "self help section" for maintenance tips, diagnostic codes and much more. >>Self Help Information and Tips<< click me!

Feb 10th, 2009, 04:15 PM	#3
glider Community Liaison Ride: 07 Road King Classic Join Date: Jun 21st, 2007 Posts: 20,467 My Mood:	Re: Had Dynorun Done: Opinions Please!! Break down the $1100 a bit better. Usually with the stage 1 and slipons with just adding fuel, you can expect 10-12 HP and around the same in TQ. It doesn't sound like they did a custom map for you when they tuned it or the numbers would be a bit higher IMO. Chances are they gave you a canned map. __________________ Psssst! Please stop by the "self help section" for maintenance tips, diagnostic codes and much more. click me!>>Self Help Information and Tips<< click me!

Feb 10th, 2009, 04:18 PM	#4
mstngjoe Warming The Wheels Ride: 2007 FXSTC Join Date: Feb 7th, 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 85 My Mood:	Re: Had Dynorun Done: Opinions Please!! Can you post the dyno sheet? I'd be interested to see the a/f ratios before & after the tune. That's about a 14% increase in hp.....not bad I'd say. __________________ 2007 Softail Custom, Cobalt Pearl/Pewter Pearl, Khrome Werks HP+ slip-ons, ISO grips & pegs.

Feb 10th, 2009, 06:54 PM	#10
Hobbit Moderators Ride: 2009 FAST 103 Street Bob Join Date: May 18th, 2007 Location: The Shires UK Posts: 7,625 My Mood:	Re: Had Dynorun Done: Opinions Please!! no probs when i get my big bore i will be tuning to 12.5/12 as this i were my tuner likes em as it keeps the power and keeps them cool - twins unlike 4pots like more fuel PCIII requires a dyno run to get the best from it __________________ Please stop by the "self help section" for maintenance tips, diagnostic codes and much more. >>Self Help Information and Tips<< click me!

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