Its ILL - and its the ECM

Hobbit · Oct 31st, 2009, 02:45 AM

as many will know at 2500miles my 96 became a 103 and had SERT added to tune the bike, we got awesome figures well in keeping with the other tuners out there 90hp and 115ft/lbs.
we all know it went a little squirly when it had the new frame and seemed to revert to base settings.
I have been digging and mooching for some time as to why it did this and if it was infact the dealer messing it up..............well my dealer had it in for a few bits and disconnected the battery - arghhhhhh
it started to play up and cough again.
well i have done all the normal checks and everything appears ok, i am swapping out the leads and plugs to some new stuff, and i have tried to reflash the ECM - this is were the big big big tell tale struck home, we had a suspecisions the ECM was a little finicky but WOW i could not flash the ECM

it kept springing up - ECM not connected errrrrr................. yes it is
15 attempts later and 2 laptops later and still nothing the software would not reconise the dongle or the ECM, last ditch i tried one last time and up it came, quickly flashed the ECM and left it be knowing very well it will start to lose the programming in about 2wks.
The dealer is going to get the ECM investigated ??? and as he said there is not much we can do with them we will get you a new ECM on order

they will programme it thru the digi tech to work with my dongle and then flash my map into the ECM once its locked to my bike.

i see the Zippers kit making its way to the UK sooner rather than later

glens · Oct 31st, 2009, 03:49 AM

No, I was unaware of all that. Sounds like an interesting story. I got one about an '07 getting a new crank okayed on basically the last day of the warranty.

What're the chances it'd happen again to you with the new ECM?

At any rate, I personally find the Daytona Twin Tech kit a bit more elegant than the Zippers. There are other factors, to be sure, but a good one is that the DTT uses the MAP sensor for its spark tables. The MAP sensor does either entirely nothing or maybe acts as a barometer at startup at best with the Zippers stuff.

If it makes any difference, the Zippers feels like Windows Vista to me as compared to the DTT feeling like unix. Know what I mean?

Hobbit · Oct 31st, 2009, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glens

No, I was unaware of all that. Sounds like an interesting story. I got one about an '07 getting a new crank okayed on basically the last day of the warranty.

What're the chances it'd happen again to you with the new ECM?

At any rate, I personally find the Daytona Twin Tech kit a bit more elegant than the Zippers. There are other factors, to be sure, but a good one is that the DTT uses the MAP sensor for its spark tables. The MAP sensor does either entirely nothing or maybe acts as a barometer at startup at best with the Zippers stuff.

If it makes any difference, the Zippers feels like Windows Vista to me as compared to the DTT feeling like unix. Know what I mean?

ok tell me about the DTT was unaware that they did a tuning module for the 09's?
see being in the UK we do not have access to the new stuff or the news unless we subscribe to it on the net

and as for Vista Vs Unix i get that as i use MAC

ps i know DTT do good stuff and it is compatible for tuning carbed sporties

PPS i just went and looked OHHHHHHH nice and tasty tuning stuff thats obviously had time taken to sort out the bugs

Bud White · Oct 31st, 2009, 07:47 AM

Guess that explains all the missing and other weird stuff its been doing to ya hobbit

Daytona Twin Tech might work for you and might be cheaper but i got to the wont work with 08+ TBW so no point reading on from there to bad..

Funny though the recommend their TFI looking setup to use with TBW

Hoople · Oct 31st, 2009, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hobbit

left it be knowing very well it will start to lose the programming in about 2wks.
later

You are having this problem with a Delphi ECM and a SERT Tuner?

Hoop!

Hobbit · Oct 31st, 2009, 11:24 AM

correct Hoop

glider · Oct 31st, 2009, 12:03 PM

Possible the VIN number wasn't entered into the ECM when it was installed?

Hobbit · Oct 31st, 2009, 12:26 PM

it worked fine until the frame was changed and then it all went wrong and has not been the same since.
I redyno'd with the shorts and the same HP and more TQ but it just does not seem to hold the map its as if its fighting itself to hold tune and my turn signals have just started to stop self cancelling

glider · Oct 31st, 2009, 12:29 PM

How's the VSS. If that goes out everything gets effected.

Hobbit · Oct 31st, 2009, 12:34 PM

i have not checked that time to start mooching again LOL i hate electrics

typical non servicable part and runs off 4th i dont use 4th LOL, mind it could be covered in clag and swarf off the box hmmmmm

its also throwing no codes at all?? other than P1477 - exhaust acuator low - welll durhhhhh it aint even on the bike

Oct 31st, 2009, 02:45 AM	#1
Hobbit Moderators Ride: 2009 FAST 103 Street Bob Join Date: May 18th, 2007 Location: The Shires UK Posts: 7,625 My Mood:	Its ILL - and its the ECM as many will know at 2500miles my 96 became a 103 and had SERT added to tune the bike, we got awesome figures well in keeping with the other tuners out there 90hp and 115ft/lbs. we all know it went a little squirly when it had the new frame and seemed to revert to base settings. I have been digging and mooching for some time as to why it did this and if it was infact the dealer messing it up..............well my dealer had it in for a few bits and disconnected the battery - arghhhhhh it started to play up and cough again. well i have done all the normal checks and everything appears ok, i am swapping out the leads and plugs to some new stuff, and i have tried to reflash the ECM - this is were the big big big tell tale struck home, we had a suspecisions the ECM was a little finicky but WOW i could not flash the ECM it kept springing up - ECM not connected errrrrr................. yes it is 15 attempts later and 2 laptops later and still nothing the software would not reconise the dongle or the ECM, last ditch i tried one last time and up it came, quickly flashed the ECM and left it be knowing very well it will start to lose the programming in about 2wks. The dealer is going to get the ECM investigated ??? and as he said there is not much we can do with them we will get you a new ECM on order they will programme it thru the digi tech to work with my dongle and then flash my map into the ECM once its locked to my bike. i see the Zippers kit making its way to the UK sooner rather than later __________________ Please stop by the "self help section" for maintenance tips, diagnostic codes and much more. >>Self Help Information and Tips<< click me!

Oct 31st, 2009, 03:49 AM	#2
glens Banned Ride: 09FLHTCU Join Date: Oct 6th, 2009 Posts: 97	Re: Its ILL - and its the ECM No, I was unaware of all that. Sounds like an interesting story. I got one about an '07 getting a new crank okayed on basically the last day of the warranty. What're the chances it'd happen again to you with the new ECM? At any rate, I personally find the Daytona Twin Tech kit a bit more elegant than the Zippers. There are other factors, to be sure, but a good one is that the DTT uses the MAP sensor for its spark tables. The MAP sensor does either entirely nothing or maybe acts as a barometer at startup at best with the Zippers stuff. If it makes any difference, the Zippers feels like Windows Vista to me as compared to the DTT feeling like unix. Know what I mean?

Oct 31st, 2009, 07:47 AM	#4
Bud White Moderators Ride: 2008 Road King Classic. Join Date: Jun 8th, 2008 Location: Wayne , MI Posts: 2,686 My Mood:	Re: Its ILL - and its the ECM Guess that explains all the missing and other weird stuff its been doing to ya hobbit Daytona Twin Tech might work for you and might be cheaper but i got to the wont work with 08+ TBW so no point reading on from there to bad.. Funny though the recommend their TFI looking setup to use with TBW __________________ "Tell me where I'm going, let my bones fall in the Dust, can't you hear that Ghost thats Calling as my Colt begins to Rust, in the Dust" Last edited by Bud White; Oct 31st, 2009 at 07:50 AM.

Oct 31st, 2009, 11:24 AM	#6
Hobbit Moderators Ride: 2009 FAST 103 Street Bob Join Date: May 18th, 2007 Location: The Shires UK Posts: 7,625 My Mood:	Re: Its ILL - and its the ECM correct Hoop __________________ Please stop by the "self help section" for maintenance tips, diagnostic codes and much more. >>Self Help Information and Tips<< click me!

Oct 31st, 2009, 12:03 PM	#7
glider Community Liaison Ride: 07 Road King Classic Join Date: Jun 21st, 2007 Posts: 20,467 My Mood:	Re: Its ILL - and its the ECM Possible the VIN number wasn't entered into the ECM when it was installed? __________________ Psssst! Please stop by the "self help section" for maintenance tips, diagnostic codes and much more. click me!>>Self Help Information and Tips<< click me!

Oct 31st, 2009, 12:26 PM	#8
Hobbit Moderators Ride: 2009 FAST 103 Street Bob Join Date: May 18th, 2007 Location: The Shires UK Posts: 7,625 My Mood:	Re: Its ILL - and its the ECM it worked fine until the frame was changed and then it all went wrong and has not been the same since. I redyno'd with the shorts and the same HP and more TQ but it just does not seem to hold the map its as if its fighting itself to hold tune and my turn signals have just started to stop self cancelling __________________ Please stop by the "self help section" for maintenance tips, diagnostic codes and much more. >>Self Help Information and Tips<< click me!

Oct 31st, 2009, 12:29 PM	#9
glider Community Liaison Ride: 07 Road King Classic Join Date: Jun 21st, 2007 Posts: 20,467 My Mood:	Re: Its ILL - and its the ECM How's the VSS. If that goes out everything gets effected. __________________ Psssst! Please stop by the "self help section" for maintenance tips, diagnostic codes and much more. click me!>>Self Help Information and Tips<< click me!

Oct 31st, 2009, 12:34 PM	#10
Hobbit Moderators Ride: 2009 FAST 103 Street Bob Join Date: May 18th, 2007 Location: The Shires UK Posts: 7,625 My Mood:	Re: Its ILL - and its the ECM i have not checked that time to start mooching again LOL i hate electrics typical non servicable part and runs off 4th i dont use 4th LOL, mind it could be covered in clag and swarf off the box hmmmmm its also throwing no codes at all?? other than P1477 - exhaust acuator low - welll durhhhhh it aint even on the bike __________________ Please stop by the "self help section" for maintenance tips, diagnostic codes and much more. >>Self Help Information and Tips<< click me! Last edited by Hobbit; Oct 31st, 2009 at 12:39 PM.

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