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Engine Dies And Runs In Spurts

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Engine Dies And Runs In Spurts
Published by glider (Community Liaison)
Published date: Jul 18th, 2007

Sputtering and stalling(Fuel Injection)

Erratic running, surging and a hissing in the tank noticed after the pump cycles.

There's been some issues with engines in the fuel injected models sputtering and dying at half a tank of gas for no apparent reason. One cause for this is a fuel line inside the tank that is rubbing on the inside of the tank and wearing a hole in the line. When the tank gets to about 1/2 full, the motor will sputter and stall. This could be the problem but the fuel level isn't a necessary part of the equation here. The engine needs fuel pressure in the area of 50 LBS to operate right and if the line is causing the fuel pressure to bleed off, you will have sporadic running and stalling as a result.
You can try adding gas to the tank and it will usually run better again indicating this problem but a fuel pressure test is the positive diagnostic procedure for this situation.
The fuel pump will have a different sound to it like a hissing or whistling when pressuring up at start up if this problem exists and you may see fuel spraying around inside the tank when the pump is pressurized.

If you remove the fuel pump fuse to diagnose this condition, the engine should start, then stall with the fuel pressure that is in the line normally. With this pin hole in the hose , the engine will not start after removing the fuse because the fuel pressure has bled off. It's another way of verifying this problem.

You can also hear the problem by opening the gas cap and turning on the key.You'll hear the fuel squirting from the line in a hissing sound when the pump is priming. You will also notice more than average priming before starting.

If you are replacing the convoluted tubing with something other than the replacement from HD, the fuel line is 5/16 ID in case anyone is interested.

"Chopper" posted this for removing the pump from the tank that may be helpful...

The trick is pressing down on the fuel pump, it's like a spring loaded latch, once you get that released it will come right out, the first time is the hardest.
Raise canopy slightly to access top fitting (inlet port) at back of fuel pressure regulator. Using a side cutters, cut hose clamp and remove convoluted tube. Exercise caution
to avoid cutting or damaging tube or dropping pieces of cut clamp into fuel tank
A spring-loaded hinge on the fuel pump bracket facilitates removal of the assembly. For best results, press down on top of fuel pump with end of screwdriver, and after raising canopy slightly, rotate on hinge in a counterclockwise direction. When canopy is at a 45° angle to top of fuel tank, carefully pull assembly from left side lobe of fuel tank.
Remove and discard canopy gasket. Verify that sealing devices from screws are not lodged in canopy holes. Remove and discard devices if present

Below is a pic of the line and what it looks like when it gets worn through.




The manual mentions how to remove the assembly, but it's not very clear, If you reach inside and actually push downward on the pump itself, it will then swivel downward which allows it to be removed fairly easily. It makes sense once you have it removed.
The pump, pickup, and fuel sender assembly all can pivot 90-degrees. With it at 90-degrees, the assembly goes in and out with relative ease.
Check the side of the corrugated fuel line for abrasions. They rub on the tank and can wear through causing poor running as shown above.




Here's some other fuel units from a bagger in the swing away position for removing it and other Harley lines like a deuce.



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Old Aug 19th, 2008, 10:18 PM     #1
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Engine Dies at Half A tank

Sputtering and stalling(Fuel Injection)
Irratic running, surging and a backfire....

That sums up what is happening to my 98 Road King Classic after about an hour of riding on a hot day. Had my 50K maint including gas filter, air filter etc...new battery, tires and hit the road but after riding for about 1 hr, it acts up like that. I had the fuel line checked, pressure tested at full tank, 1/2 tank...road tested twice, they worked on it for over 2.5 hrs...no trouble found and couldn't duplicate the problem. I left the shop and about an hour later as I was leaving the interstate, it sputtered - on the exit. Went to the HD shop, they rode it, no problem duplicated. It seems after it cools down I'm good for another hour. Has anyone had similar issue? I just heard "maybe coil, maybe ignition module....am at a loss and cut the vacation short.

The 1/2 tank full theory is out the window...it happened again after a fillup. Anyone have any similar experiences?

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Old Aug 23rd, 2008, 12:18 PM     #2
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re: Engine Dies And Runs In Spurts

It's not necessarily at half tank, it's just that it is easier to locate at half a tank due to the gushing of fuel sound with the cap off.
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re: Engine Dies And Runs In Spurts

I have a 01 fatboy. I followed Glider's instructions and boy what I found.
1) The line from the fuel pump to the fuel filter was fine, but the line from the petcock to the fuel regulator had 3 pin holes in it.
2) The tank liner inside the tank had cracked and pieces of the lining were all inside the tank.
So, when replacing the line (lines) be sure to replace the filter.
When purchasing the filter the line comes with it (fuel line kit)
When replacing petcock line the petcock comes with it (kit).
It's a relatively simple job, just follow instructions (ask dealer for interior tank parts pic and parts numbers) if you don't have a repair manual.
Hope helps anyone that has the same problems.
Thanks again to you Glider
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Glad it helped you out.
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Old Nov 1st, 2008, 05:24 PM     #5
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re: Engine Dies And Runs In Spurts

The fuel pump will have a different sound to it like a hissing or whistling when pressuring up at start up if this problem exists.

OK...I did my duty and posted in the New Members section before coming directly back here. I have been having these exact problems for a little while now and never even thought about the pump. I am going to try to get a video of the sound my pump makes at start up but the whistling thing kinda fits. I also have extremely random hesitation in the motor while riding. Most of the time it is at highway speeds (70+ here in the DC area) but I was attributing it to bad fuel injectors and a stolen Power Commander III USB (a story in and unto itself if anyone wants to hear it). I guess I can start looking and listening in the tank now.

As this is my daily driver year round, can anyone give me a list of things I can buy ahead of time to replace, to keep downtime to a minimum?

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re: Engine Dies And Runs In Spurts

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The fuel pump will have a different sound to it like a hissing or whistling when pressuring up at start up if this problem exists.


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and you may see fuel spraying around inside the tank when the pump is pressurized.

The dealer should have a kit available with the clamps ans a bit shorter hose than the factory one. Give them a call first to confirm if they have it in stock, they should have.
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Re: Engine Dies And Runs In Spurts

my fuel level is such that resting on the kick stand, it starts and runs perfect. raise the bike upright and it dies. how perfect is that? ha
checked with the dealer in lonview,texas and they have no kit, no shorter fuel line etc. and have never heard of one. they did offer to piece together what i would need. gotta be a better way me thinks. thanks a bunch for all the info. 06 flhtcui.
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Re: Engine Dies And Runs In Spurts

Tell them to check with the MOCO or read their bulletins.
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Re: Engine Dies And Runs In Spurts

i called hd moco and was advised there are no bulletins issued on this problem. i asked what would prevent the problem from reoccuring in 20k miles if they use the same parts to repair it. she said to take that up with the tech who does the repair work. there could be a rebate involved or the tech could initiate a querry to the hd moco.

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