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EFI Tuner ComparisonsDiagnostics and Fuel Injection Related |
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Published date: 09-25-2007 |
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Re: EFI Tuner Comparisons
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Similar to the TFI ![]() The Dynojet Power Commander is another add-on device that connects in series between the ECM and fuel injectors, but it differs from basic pot-based add-ons because it is a map-based module that allows for the reprogramming of fuel maps. Therefore, it will be covered below under map-based reprogrammers. Map-Based Reprogrammers Once your engine gets into the 100-plus cubic-inch range, has big cams installed, or has heavy cylinder-head porting, pot-like devices cannot segment the rpm ranges into small enough portions to satisfy the engine's air/fuel requirements. That is where map-based devices shine. The most capable and generally the most costly EFI tuning aids are map-based modules. Map-based tuning aids contain one or more look-up tables called maps V&H Fuelpack ![]() for controlling fuel, ignition timing, rpm, start-up, and warm-up functions, just to name a few. The tables are finely divided into many small cells for close tuning over a wide range. Each cell represents a number indicating the percentage of fuel change, either plus or minus from a base value, based on various engine data, such as rpm, throttle position, and so on. We'll cover two map-based reprogrammers: the Dynojet Power Commander (hardware- and software-based device) and the Harley-Davidson SE Race Tuner (software-based). Dynojet's Power Commander is an add-on computer that connects in series between the ECM and fuel injectors. The add-on computer stores maps that can be reprogrammed with a personal computer (PC) for a wide range of modified engine combinations. Separate fuel and ignition tables are available for both front and rear cylinders, and the newest models allow the engine's rev limit to be raised above the stock value. Three buttons are provided on the computer, allowing for manual richer or leaner adjustments in 2,000-rpm-wide bands. Power Commanders include a CD-ROM with current maps for many engine combinations, and new maps can be downloaded from the company's website. Dynojet PCIII ![]() The Harley-Davidson Screamin' Eagle Race Tuner is a software map-based reprogrammer that does not require an add-on module because it has the ability to reprogram the stock ECM. The Race Tuner software program comes on a CD-ROM along with a hardware "key" (adapter) that allows connecting a PC to the stock ECM. Once the Race Tuner uploads a new map into the stock ECM, the PC and hardware key are removed, and no additional parts remain on the bike. In addition to allowing fuel, ignition, start-up, warm-up, and rev-limit modifications, the Race Tuner also includes a function for setting injector size, which allows for greater tuning flexibility. Several operating modes are available, including basic, advanced, and data monitoring. The Race Tuner and Power Commander are similar in that table cells represent the percentage of change, either plus or minus. One thing that is different, however, is that the Race Tuner will not allow you to download a map from it as the Power Commander will. HD SERT ![]() Conclusions If you are modifying a Harley EFI (Delphi or Magneti-Marelli) engine with more than a high-flowing air cleaner, chances are you will need to adjust the engine's fuel curve to achieve maximum power and smooth ridability. Although nothing is set in concrete, here are a few things to consider when modifying an engine with a Harley-based EFI system Harley-Davidson offers a wide selection of ECM recalibration "downloadable maps" for its SE Stage I and Stage II kits that often get the job done. Fuel-curve adjustments for minor performance upgrades-high-flowing air cleaners, free-flowing exhaust systems, and some mild cams-can often be handled by low-cost pot-style devices. Once you install moderate to big cams (and sometimes even mild cams) or venture into the realm of 100-plus cubic-inch displacement, you're probably going to need a map-based device offering a wide range of fuel curve adjustments, such as a Dynojet Power Commander or Harley-Davidson Race Tuner Sometimes you can download a map to get the tuning close, then do final tuning with an add-on or map-based device. Moreover, if you are going to make modifications in small increments over a long period, it is usually more cost-effective to start with a map-based SE Race Tuner or Power Commander, because that's what you'll need in the end to get the tuning correct. Before making a decision on purchasing a tuning device, make sure you really need one. Some mild engine combinations don't need anything beyond the stock ECM. Finally, make sure downloadable maps are available for your engine combination and that you have a local tuner who's knowledgeable about the device you are considering. A knowledgeable and honest tuner is the best friend you can have when delving into the complex world of EFI. Happy tuning! SERT Tables ![]() EFI Fuel Map An EFI map is a multi-dimensional look-up table that's stored (downloaded) into the fuel injection's computer (called the Electronic Control Module, or ECM, by Harley-Davidson). A map is created for a specific engine parts combination and is used by the ECM to adjust the fuel delivery of the fuel injectors based on throttle position, rpm, and other critical factors. In addition to the fuel curve, maps can also control ignition timing, rev limit, start-up, and warm-up functions. For stock Harleys, the map is preprogrammed and loaded into the ECM at the factory. By using a PC, the ECM and some add-on modules can be reprogrammed with a custom map designed for a modified engine combination. A custom map increases or decreases fuel delivery from the stock map settings to meet the needs of a custom performance engine. Custom maps for specific parts combinations are available from various manufacturers, and they can be created ad hoc in the field through dyno or road testing. Prices as of this date 9/07 ![]() Sources Cobra Engineering Cobra FI2000 (714) 692-8180 www.cobrausa.com www.fi2000r.com Custom Chrome Rev Tech Digital Fuel Optimizer (DFO) (800) 729-3332 or (559) 651-8681 www.customchrome.com Doebeck Performance TFI FI controller http://www.dobeckperformance.com/ Dynatek Dynatek F.I. Controller (800) 928-3962 www.dynaonline.com Dynojet Research Power Commander (800) 992-4993 www.powercommander.com Harley-Davidson Motor Company Screamin' Eagle Race Fueler Screamin' Eagle Race Tuner Contact your local dealer. www.harley-davidson.com Kryakyn Kryakyn Wild Things FI Controller (866) 277-9598 www.kuryakyn.com Total Fuel Systems Total Fuel Systems EFI Control Module www.total-fuel.com Vance & Hines Vance & Hines Fuelpak (800) 592-2529 vanceandhines.com Special Thanks To: Chester's Harley-Davidson (480) 894-0404 or (800) 831-0404 www.chestershd.com Last edited by glider : 05-05-2008 at 08:55 AM. |
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Re: EFI Tuner Comparisons
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There are dealer downloads that will work with your stock ECM but they are still lean and you can add a tuner to the existing ECM in your bike now to change the fuel mixtures. |
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Warming The Wheels
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Re: EFI Tuner Comparisons
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The reason I ask this because I ask before about installing Wild Pig slipons on my 05 EG. You made the comment that these pipes were free flowing and that I would have to richen the mixture on the bike to run these pipes. So I was wondering if it was possible to do that with out one of these devices listed on this page. Thanks Glider for all the info you provide. |
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Re: EFI Tuner Comparisons
It is possible to get the dealer download but they still run lean and this wouldn't add any tuner to the bike doing it this way. I think that's what you were asking..
Depends on what you are trying to accomplish and what modifications you may have planned which one would suite you better. The dealer downloads are geared towards the SE parts and wouldn't work well in any event with the wild pigs. |
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Warming The Wheels
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Re: EFI Tuner Comparisons
Thanks Glider,
Yea I see what you are saying. I was only going to maybe put a K&N Airfilter in the aircleaner, and add the Wild Pig Slip Ons. Recon I will just have to save my money for my next investment. Thanks |
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Re: EFI Tuner Comparisons
Just a suggestion, if you were using the K&N in the stock housing, go for a few more $$ and get the stage 1, it will work better for you than just replacing the filter. The stage 1 will flow more air but you would need some more fuel as well.
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