H-D Factory Security System Install
glider 11-25-2007, 09:00 PM Here's a link that will show with pics and text how to install the factory type security system. On the 2008 models the instructions say to remove the RIGHT saddle bag and side cover. The 2008 models have the alarm connections in the LEFT side cover. Earlier models were on the right side.
Harley Davidson Factory Security System (http://www.hotbikeweb.com/tech/0408hb_harley_davidson_alarm/index.html)
A Quick Install run down...
The cables are plug and play and keyed so you really have to work at it to mess it up.
The security system will not arm until the dealer programs the serial number of the FOB into the computer.
1. Remove seat and disconnect battery ground.
2. Remove TSM module and replace with TSSM module (under seat aft of battery)
3. (Optional) Remove right side ECM cover and install Smart Siren II behind ECM mounting bracket
4. Reconnect battery
5. Program the unit as per supplied instructions
6. Follow "password learn" procedure from self help forum here or the HD Electrical Diag Manual. (takes 30 minutes)
http://www.hdtalking.com/diagnostics_alarms_security_and_fuel_injection_rel ated/958-marrying_new_tssm_to_bike.html#post4618 (http://www.hdtalking.com/diagnostics_alarms_security_and_fuel_injection_rel ated/958-marrying_new_tssm_to_bike.html#post4618)
7. Follow "clearing error code" from self help forum section here or in the HD Electrical Diag Manual
http://www.hdtalking.com/diagnostics_alarms_security_and_fuel_injection_rel ated/728-04_08_hd_dtc_codes_and_activation.html (http://www.hdtalking.com/diagnostics_alarms_security_and_fuel_injection_rel ated/728-04_08_hd_dtc_codes_and_activation.html)
The alternative is to pay the dealer to run Diagnostic Technician software to marry new TSSM to ECM and clear error codes. It may be much easier for some to do this or the bike will not start making it difficult to get it to the dealer.
Additional info on the alarm systems.
Read online/preview (http://www.hdtalking.com/self-help-2007-alarm-system-information-preview.htm)
Download
Mirror 1 (http://www.hdtalking.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=64)
Mirror 2 (http://www.box.net/shared/54jqbq5tgg)
joyflyin 01-07-2008, 12:32 AM Okay, I'm starting to think I'm not as smart as I thought I was. I went through the marrying instructions, to no avail........Then I took everything off, put the old module back in, started the bike up and let it run, (was surprised it started so easy, seeing as she likes the cold about as much as I do). Sounded good too......However, when I put the TSSM back in and started from scratch, it still doesn't work. I haven't went through the process of clearing the diagnostic codes yet, should I fix it back to where it runs and do that? The only other thing I noticed is that in the marrying process, the first round of waiting for the security light to go out takes about ten minutes as the instructions say it will, but the other two times, it just goes out when the check engine light goes out. :wall Or can I clear the diagnostic codes the way it is and not have to take it all apart again?
glider 01-07-2008, 12:47 AM Whew, that's a lot of questions ...
The password relearn is a difficult thing to accomplish if you don't have the timing correct. Many have tried it to no avail and end up having the dealer do it with the digital tech that they use. (much easier).
The light lit indicates an error code was logged. If the TSSM is programmed to communicate with the ECM, you should be able to enter and remove any codes set then. The fact that it no longer illuminates when started means there are no codes set in the process.
After you get it all set up , don't forget to program a manual user code ( the one that uses the directional buttons for entry). If you fail to do this and something happens, you have to replace the TSSM again as it can't be recovered.
All in all, it's a complicated set up and if you are having trouble, it may be a better choice to let the dealer do it for you to eliminate future expense and headaches.
joyflyin 01-07-2008, 01:05 AM Whew, that's a lot of questions ...
The password relearn is a difficult thing to accomplish if you don't have the timing correct. Many have tried it to no avail and end up having the dealer do it with the digital tech that they use. (much easier).
The light lit indicates an error code was logged. If the TSSM is programmed to communicate with the ECM, you should be able to enter and remove any codes set then. The fact that it no longer illuminates when started means there are no codes set in the process.
After you get it all set up , don't forget to program a manual user code ( the one that uses the directional buttons for entry). If you fail to do this and something happens, you have to replace the TSSM again as it can't be recovered.
All in all, it's a complicated set up and if you are having trouble, it may be a better choice to let the dealer do it for you to eliminate future expense and headaches.
Thanks again, I'll give it one more shot, then hubby gets to haul it to a dealer if that doesn't work..........I think my planets are out of alignment today, I shouldn't have started anything...having some Windows Vista issues and I can't seem to get them straightened out either.......
glider 01-07-2008, 03:14 AM That's the way to be, one more try :D
Good luck!
joyflyin 01-07-2008, 04:00 PM That's the way to be, one more try :D
Good luck!
Okay Glider, you are my new hero. I had the great revelation sometime through the night, I just wake up and so "oh, you idiot". Patience is a virtue my friend....I was such an idiot, when trying to marry the bike, after the first 10 minute wait, I didn't realize that the lights will come on, go off, and then come on again. That was the great revelation. This morning it went flawlessly, the bike runs again. Yeehaw!! However, as usual, it couldn't be totally flawless.....just wondering, should my bike chirp when I set the alarm? My husband's does when he sets or disarms the alarm. My siren works, I now keep forgetting about it and have set it off numerous times. As usual, Thank You Grand Wizard.
Hobbit 01-07-2008, 04:06 PM my 08' softail does not chirp when arming the alarm it just flashes the turn signals
joyflyin 01-07-2008, 04:12 PM my 08' softail does not chirp when arming the alarm it just flashes the turn signals
Hey, thanks. I was begining to think I had just starting to have the next problem. I guess I can't make fun of my husband for all the times he 'forgets' and sets his alarm off........;)
glider 01-07-2008, 06:58 PM However, as usual, it couldn't be totally flawless.....just wondering, should my bike chirp when I set the alarm? My husband's does when he sets or disarms the alarm. My siren works, I now keep forgetting about it and have set it off numerous times. As usual, Thank You Grand Wizard.
Glad you finally got a handle on it. I knew you could!
Yes it should chirp and there are other features that can be turned on and off too in the section pertaining to alarms in the self help forum.
For the life of me I can't remember how to do that one thou. I'll try to find it for the button type fob and let you know if I do. The one listed on the forum is for the button less fob so I am sure there is one for the button type too.
I'll get back to you on it.:s
Hobbit 01-07-2008, 07:48 PM oh ok i thought the new ones were silent arming my bad sorry.
learn something new everyday on here :D
joyflyin 01-07-2008, 11:23 PM Glad to hear I am helping someone else in my search for info...For the record, I did get out on 2 wheels this afternoon, I took the suzuki out for a spin...the roads were still kind of damp from the rain. Then of course, I had to take care of some of my 'chores' since I'm back to work tomorrow, and since I work 10 hr days, I try to limit my work time around the house to only one weekend day.....I don't do more than the basic stuff on work days, got to pace myself you know.
I'll poke around in the self help section some more and see what I can find out. Thanks again for all the help here, after the frustrations, it is actually kind of fun.:)
joyflyin 01-07-2008, 11:28 PM Thanks, I forgot to mention that when doing the diagnostic code part, it was really cool to see the speedometer go over 100, I guess I can say, I ride a bit conservatively, I may have touched 100 once, but didn't get over it before I backed off, what can I say, other people on the road scare me.......
glider 01-09-2008, 08:59 PM Joy
Haven't forgotten you here, I had one rep tell me there is no silent arming but I don't buy it. I will see another on Friday and let you know.
joyflyin 01-10-2008, 01:59 AM Joy
Haven't forgotten you here, I had one rep tell me there is no silent arming but I don't buy it. I will see another on Friday and let you know.
Thanks, no rush......I'm already light years from where I was last weekend. ;) Besides, you seem to be a very busy man sharing your wealth of information. My bike runs, and the siren goes off when you mess with it. No worries.
glider 01-12-2008, 10:49 PM OK Joy
I finally got some input on the alarm and it seems from the looks of things that the chirp/no chirp feature isn't a feature on the button type alarm but IS on the hands free fob.(Still don't believe this)
Here's all the latest info I got on it and you can review it yourself to see if I missed something.
http://www.box.net/shared/hhvcnve048
glider 01-13-2008, 10:36 PM Joy
I have checked some more and it doesn't look like the chirp/no chirp is an option on the button type fobs. I have exhausted every connection that I have about this issue and this is the way it looks. I guess you'll have to live with the chirp.
joyflyin 01-14-2008, 12:48 AM Joy
I have checked some more and it doesn't look like the chirp/no chirp is an option on the button type fobs. I have exhausted every connection that I have about this issue and this is the way it looks. I guess you'll have to live with the chirp.
Mr. G, Thanks so much for your efforts. I really appreciate everything. I'm kind of with you on the still not convinced part. Here's why, we put a security system on my husbands bike after we got it, and his does chirp. He has the button fob too. The difference is, we paid a local dealer to install it, (after several hours of putting it in, and taking it out because the bike wouldn't run.......) But, I'm okay with that, (not chirping), I'm planning on going back to WV this weekend and visit my father and do some work for him, and hopefully get him feeling good enough to go pick up the 41 chevy he just got, (poor guys been feeling too bad to do that, now that is sick)
I'll stop by our buddies who usually do the maintenance on our bikes and ask them if they know of anything different and let you know if I find out any thing else. I've been pretty busy this week and now I'm kind of fighting off a case of the flu or something......
joyflyin 01-15-2008, 12:13 AM Hey there Glider, I bet you are wishing I would just drop this whole deal by this point........But, I don't like to get beat by this kind of thing, I read the last bit of info you sent, and I still think the siren has a chirp feature that I can't seem to activate. I followed the instructions on page 4 at the top, and I guess I'm not holding my tongue the right way, but I can't seem to get it.
so I talked to a local dealer, who was good to help BTW, and told them what was going on. They had me go through the steps with them on the phone, and seem to think I'm doing things correctly, and they think I might have a bad siren. Go figure. I'm not sure about that either though, and it puzzled them too, since it will go off and everything. Some day when the weather is better, I'll take it down to them and let them check it out and do what ever....But, until then, the bike runs, and has a security system so I'm okay with that. Thanks for all the help here, and for the record, I've learned more about the bikes in the last week than I ever thought I would know.....Thanks again.:s
P.S. I'm still not done, if I get the chance, I'll keep fooling with that @#$@#$# thing and let you know when I get it right!
glider 01-15-2008, 02:15 PM Please do let me know. I am still not finished here either. I had an 03 and it had the factory system and it chirped and for the life of me, I seem to remember that it was programmable too as far as chirp/no chirp.
Don't overlook the possibility of something with the TSSM either.
What you are saying is that you have NO chirp, correct?
Not defeated yet, just slowed down.:D
joyflyin 01-15-2008, 04:20 PM (What you are saying is that you have NO chirp, correct?)
Yup, I'll give you a quick overview:
The alarm works, arms, disarms and flashes lights. If it is armed and you move the bike and all, it gives the warning siren, if you continue after the warning, the thing goes off completely. I'm sure the neighbors are wondering what I am doing....
I just can't seem to program it to chirp. The dealer I talked to yesterday said that the instructions for programing the chirp/no chirp that you found last should work....they just helped over the phone, with better weather, I may run down there. They also said that the system we put on my husbands bike would be the same, and his chirps. But, his was also installed by a dealer. Maybe that's the deal, has to have the fancy computer.....
But, for the most part, I'm happy, the bike runs, and I still have the security system. I'm willing to rest a while and see what comes by the wayside, I'm sure we will stumble onto the answer sooner or later.
glider 01-15-2008, 05:45 PM Ever try swapping the siren module in your two bikes?
joyflyin 01-16-2008, 01:57 AM Thought about it, haven't done that yet. (I think I have to take the saddle bag off his bike to do that, I remember one piece going under the seat, and the other one behind the saddlebag somewhere, EGC). I did go on another suggestion and change the battery in the siren, JIC, all that did was make the lights flash brighter.....I'll keep you posted for when I make the siren swap, I'm pretty sure it won't be for a couple of weeks, we're planning on going to WV this weekend.
glider 01-16-2008, 03:17 AM The siren battery charges from the bikes system and has no connection to the lights. They work off the bikes battery.
joyflyin 01-16-2008, 10:53 AM Thanks,I'm starting to believe you do know it all....I'll let you know how the siren swap goes, but it will probably be a couple of weeks unless we change our plans, that happens you know.
drhicklin 01-27-2008, 02:01 AM I have just installed the HD security system and smart siren II on my 08 heritage. I am having 2 problems.
1. I have a bracket to mount the hands free antenna but cannot figure out what this litlle plastic bracket attaches to or where. Otherwise, I need to know where to locate the hands free antenna. The instructions that come with the security system make no mention of where to mount the antenna.
2. My bike does not seem to regonize the secuity system or the smart siren II. It starts with or without the handsfree FOB
I performed the procedure to marry the TCM to the ECM and that worked. Any help would really appreciated.
glider 01-27-2008, 12:45 PM I haven't seen a clip for the antenna, they are usually just lying along the wires in the harness. If you strap them down the range will be effected.
Have you changed the TSM to a TSSM for the security system and then installed the alarm system?
If you performed the marrying process and it still doesn't work,you realize I hope that the FOB has to be a distance away from the bike for it to arm. Many have had problems adding the system to bikes and usually it's a step that was not performed properly when the installation was done.
There's also a time limit for the system to arm when you turn off the bike.
drhicklin 01-27-2008, 07:19 PM I did away with the plastic clip and ran the antenna along the wiring harness under the seat. I have installed the TSSM and successfully married the TSSM to the ECM ( at least the bike starts now). The bike acts like there has never been a security system installed. I have also setup the 5 digit manual code. I took the FOB to my basement and the bike still acts like there is no security system installed. I am completely baffled. This does not seem that difficult from the instruction. Plug and Play is what it appears but I am obviously missing something. I also installed the Smart Siren II and it also acts if it doesn't exist. When I try to encode the pager, it fails.
glider 01-27-2008, 09:24 PM If all else fails and the procedure doesn't work , you may have to take it to the dealers.
joyflyin 01-27-2008, 10:25 PM I don't know if this was accurate info we got or not, but I'll post it anyway. When we got my husband's security system, we were told that it had to be programmed at the dealer since his was fuel injected. (04 electra glide). When I asked if I could install mine when we got it with out going to the dealer since my was not fuel injected, we were told we could. Even with my struggles, it did work okay. :dknow Hope it helps. That might be verified by calling the dealer.
glider 01-28-2008, 01:36 AM I did away with the plastic clip and ran the antenna along the wiring harness under the seat. I have installed the TSSM and successfully married the TSSM to the ECM ( at least the bike starts now). The bike acts like there has never been a security system installed. I have also setup the 5 digit manual code. I took the FOB to my basement and the bike still acts like there is no security system installed. I am completely baffled. This does not seem that difficult from the instruction. Plug and Play is what it appears but I am obviously missing something. I also installed the Smart Siren II and it also acts if it doesn't exist. When I try to encode the pager, it fails.
Your bike being an 08 which I missed , I believe the problem here is the hands free FOB has to be programmed by the dealer to operate. There is no procedure like the button type FOB for yours to program it to the TSSM.
Take a look here.
http://www.box.net/shared/54jqbq5tgg
drhicklin 03-30-2008, 10:36 PM You are on the money again Glider. It took me a while to get the bike over to the dealer but they had to enter the serial number in, to activate the FOB. Not sure if all dealers do this but mine did not charge me for it.
glider 03-30-2008, 10:41 PM I think they should do it as a courtesy but not all the dealers think this way.:D
Glad you got it up and running.
fatboydoc 06-20-2008, 09:16 AM I have and 04 Fatboy with factory installed security (no alarm). I was wondering what would be involved in disabeling it or removing it all together from the bike. I do not use it and have recently had a lot of trouble with it ( a whole nother story) and would just like to get rid of it. I bought the bike used and the original owner had it installed when he bought the bike new.
Thanks....fatboydoc.
glider 06-20-2008, 11:28 AM You would have to install a different TSM (turn signal module) to replace the TSSM (turn signal security module) They aren't cheap.
fatboydoc 06-20-2008, 10:44 PM You would have to install a different TSM (turn signal module) to replace the TSSM (turn signal security module) They aren't cheap.
Thanks glider, I will check with my indy and get a price. Im just tired of the hassle with it.......fatboydoc
cbrahs 06-21-2008, 04:25 AM Please someone call me a dummy or am i missing something here. Just got my smart system today and got it installed. The box had only 1 page for instructions and NO WHERE did it say anything about doing a learn procedure. I was getting a bit mad, called the dealer, spoke to the parts guy who sold it to me and he ended up transferring me to the service dept. They did not know (all the techs were gone for the day). I found this forum THANK GOODNESS! and saw Gliders thread on how to do the learn procedure and program the manual PIN. Ok, after doing the procedure 2 times, it worked. Starts and runs great, Did the manual PIN programming. My ordeal is, I don't have a blinking security light and it does not seem to be arming. Did i forget something or not read something correctly or do I still have to go to the dealer for the tech to do something with the computer. I already cleared the P1009 code. HELP! LOL
THANKS IN ADVANCE
Chris
glider 06-21-2008, 11:24 AM By smart system, I assume you mean the alarm system, and not just the smart siren.
In any event, you have to have the dealer set it up using the digital tech for the bike to recognize the system.
cbrahs 06-21-2008, 04:17 PM Thanks Glider,
I am going to the dealer here in a few minutes to have them check it out. Hope they don't charge me an arm and a leg to do it. Thanks for your help on this!
cbrahs 06-21-2008, 06:46 PM Just got back from the dealer and $46 later the security system works as advertised. They had to program the FOB to the system. :bigsmiley30:
glider 06-21-2008, 07:15 PM That's what usually has to be done to get it to work so the bike recognizes the alarm.
ride free 07-08-2008, 03:52 AM OK I am new to this forum but have read several of the postings having to do with the factory HD security system I am adding to my 06 Ultra. They were a great help but now I am stuck. Would like to see if anyone else has had the same problem or if I just missed a step. 2006 HD Ultra Classic, EFI with power commander. I got the system on and the siren II just fine. They both seem to work. I have had a Road King before that came with the system already installed from the factory, so I am familiar with the operation part. Alarm, key fob, and manual disarm all good. My problem is I can't start my bike. While I realize this is the best of all security..it doesn't allow me to actually ride my bike. I can reinstall the original TSM and it runs fine. Anyone have a clue as to what I did wrong? Thanks for the help.
joyflyin 07-08-2008, 05:04 AM Hi, You need to 'marry' the tssm to the bike. The directions are a bit tricky and you have to follow them exactly. When you start the process and turn the ignition for the on/off sequence, the engine & security light come on for a few seconds, then go off, wait for a few seconds longer & then the light will come on for the 10 minute cycles. Do not multi task here, just watch the light and as soon as the light goes off, do the on/off sequence again. If you mess this up in any of the 3 cycles, it will not work & you have to start over. I know the directions for marrying the tssm are posted on one of these threads, and maybe in the self help section. Also, if you have a battery tender, hook it up because sitting there with the headlight on & the bike not running will kill the battery. Good luck!
Try this:
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s45/bills985/MarryingnewTSM.jpg
glider 07-08-2008, 12:31 PM OK I am new to this forum but have read several of the postings having to do with the factory HD security system I am adding to my 06 Ultra. They were a great help but now I am stuck. Would like to see if anyone else has had the same problem or if I just missed a step. 2006 HD Ultra Classic, EFI with power commander. I got the system on and the siren II just fine. They both seem to work. I have had a Road King before that came with the system already installed from the factory, so I am familiar with the operation part. Alarm, key fob, and manual disarm all good. My problem is I can't start my bike. While I realize this is the best of all security..it doesn't allow me to actually ride my bike. I can reinstall the original TSM and it runs fine. Anyone have a clue as to what I did wrong? Thanks for the help.
On a new installation, the dealer has to program the fobs to the ECM for the system to recognize the fobs and the bike to start.
Also the instructions that Joy gave you are correct too. It has to be married to the bike (TSSM)
Nice job Joy!!!:s
joyflyin 07-08-2008, 01:27 PM Experience there :s. I just keep forgetting about that stupid fob. :D
TQuentin1 07-08-2008, 04:48 PM Excellent, Joy!! See, we all know what we know!
TQ
joyflyin 07-09-2008, 05:39 AM Excellent, Joy!! See, we all know what we know!
TQ
I'll drink to that TQ :s
NEWHD74FAN 09-28-2008, 07:22 PM Thought about it, haven't done that yet. (I think I have to take the saddle bag off his bike to do that, I remember one piece going under the seat, and the other one behind the saddlebag somewhere, EGC). I did go on another suggestion and change the battery in the siren, JIC, all that did was make the lights flash brighter.....I'll keep you posted for when I make the siren swap, I'm pretty sure it won't be for a couple of weeks, we're planning on going to WV this weekend.
Joy, I know this is an old tread but have two questions,
1) Did you ever get the "chirp" feature working when you replaced the Smart Siren module? BTW the owners manual & service manual both say there is an audible "chirp" when arming/disarming the system, though mine without the Smart Siren is silent.:25:
2) Is the Smart Siren installation just installing it and plugging it in, if the factory HD Alarm system portion is basically installed, like yours? :)
joyflyin 09-29-2008, 01:49 AM No, eventually, we found out that there are 2 types of sirens. One chirps & one doesn't. I'll have to dig around to find out how to tell if one chirps or not. But I would guess that if it seems to work properly, i.e. lights flash when it is armed, and it will give the warning if the bike is moved & go off if you forget to disarm it & move it, then you have the siren that does not chirp.
I do know that one of the dealers called HD while I was there (had them on speaker phone) & they said that they did quit making the sirens that chirp for a while because most people complained that they did not want them to chirp when armed & disarmed.
NEWHD74FAN 09-29-2008, 04:25 PM No, eventually, we found out that there are 2 types of sirens. One chirps & one doesn't. I'll have to dig around to find out how to tell if one chirps or not. But I would guess that if it seems to work properly, i.e. lights flash when it is armed, and it will give the warning if the bike is moved & go off if you forget to disarm it & move it, then you have the siren that does not chirp.
I do know that one of the dealers called HD while I was there (had them on speaker phone) & they said that they did quit making the sirens that chirp for a while because most people complained that they did not want them to chirp when armed & disarmed.
Thanks, FYI the Smart Siren is NOT as simple as plug and play...went to the dealer and he printed out the 7 page Installation & Test Procedure.
It costs $100 and nests way underneath the bike w/ mounting tray kit it comes with between the frame rails and subject to all the road mud & grime kicked up under the bike. Not so cool, so I guess it is "Silent & Running Alarm" mode for those not equipped with the audible alarm module unless I figure out a better mounting position. :54:
vondutchga 10-04-2008, 09:55 PM Well I jumped in, a buddy of mine wanted to get rid of his factory alarm, he has a 2002 heritage and I have a 06 night train, checked the part numbers and they list the same so i told him we swap the modules.
Well today was the day, the moment my regular tsm went on his bike no problem. cranked right up and he went on his way.
i put his module on mine, followed the marrying procedure and everything worked as expected, except when I got to the part where I wanted to disable to the auto-arm feature.
The system flashes 3 times (netherlands security configuration, dealer configurable only) so I can't enable/disable. The bike it came of was definitely a US bike, (what a coincidence originally I am from the netherlands) anyway, is there a way to change that mode.
also on the way home it threw a u1064 (serial data lost....) i cleared it and Haven't seen it again (yet) but i wonder what is going on.
any help would be appreciated.
NEWHD74FAN 10-05-2008, 12:20 AM Hi Von, I looked in my service manual (I have the U.S. system circa 2004) and noted that the only difference between the U.S. and International version is the U.S. is manually activated (but may be configured to auto activate).
The International version auto activates when you turn off the ignition in about 30 secs (you cannot deactivate the auto-activate feature) so you are out of luck having the Netherlands (in this case appropriately named) model...Sorry! :(
vondutchga 10-05-2008, 02:03 PM thanks for the reply I appreciate it, I guess I will have to live with it. The manual does say it's dealer configurable, but knowing me, I take auto-arm off and within a few weeks i want it again.
maybe I sell the module and try to find a north american one.
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